Ciener Hipower

[Aguila Blanca]

And that is the difference I was trying to point out. One, the Browning, is an 85% size 1911 chambered in 22. That is exactly what I want. The 85% is probably about perfect for my hand. The other, the Colt/Umarex, really just kind of aesthetically looks like a 1911.

Does the Ciened conversion get me something that is mostl HiPower like the Browning is mostly 1911, or something that kind of looks like a HiPower like the Umarex kind of looks like a 1911.

Obviously, a conversion top end can't shrink the pistol by 15 percent, so no conversion is going to give you a scaled-down version of the real thing, like a Browning 1911-22. If you put a conversion top end on a Hi-Power receiver, the receiver and the action parts all remain unchanged, so the "heart" of the resulting pistol is still going to be Hi-Power. Speaking to the comparison of the Colt/Umarex 1911-22 vs a 1911 with a Ciener conversion, the manual of arms remains the same for both, but the field strip procedure for the Colt/Umarex is completely different (and counter-intuitive), whereas the slide comes off the Ciener just like a "real" 1911. I assume the same is going to apply to a Hi-Power conversion but, as I've noted, I haven't ever handled one of those.

I'd say what you would end up with will be "substantially" like a Hi-Power. (Whatever that means.)

This short video might address your question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrZ-x4xM3Y

 

[jmstr]

The Ceiner slide is the exact same dimensions as the 9mm slide: except in aluminum. It does NOT affect the frame in any way/shape/form, so the part that fits your hand will be the Hi Power. It is a replacement slide/barrel and magazine only.

It will NOT shrink your gun.

Do what you want with your money, as it is your money. I do what makes me happy. I have conversion kits because I want them. I know they aren't as cost-effective as stand-alone .22lr handguns. It makes me happy-so I do it.


However, if you want something the size of the browning 1911-22, just buy one. No .22lr conversion kit for the HP or CZ makes the frame any smaller, which means the grip/trigger reach is unchanged.

For the cost of the Ceiner kit, and then fiddling with it to make it work right [he does NOT take email, and phone calls are spotty- don't expect support], you would have the size of gun you wanted in the first place.

As AB says, nothing you do will make a BHP into a 1911.

And, just FYI, JMB designed the first incarnation of the HP, but the final design we have is more of Dieudonné Saive's design. It may have JMB's name, but his first design was a striker design single stack, with a removable bushing [if I recall correctly].

He is the namesake for the BHP, but I consider him more the godfather or grandfather of the design, while the finished product is really more a result of Saive's overseeing the project.



You need to ask yourself what you really want to do with the gun.


If you sell the 9mm slide from the Hi Power and then try to sell it as a .22lr Hi Power, you will lose value. It would be inappropriate to sell it as a Hi Power without the slide. You would have to sell it as a "High Power Frame, with Ceiner .22lr top end" to avoid charges of misrepresentation. And the .22lr kit on top, with a high power frame/lower, will not get you as much money on resale.

If you really want something like the 1911-22 size-wise, sell the BHP and buy one. With the left-over money, buy some extra mags or rounds.

It will be cheaper, it will be the 'right' size, and it will be less hassle to get everything working right.

If you want a full-size 1911 in .22lr, look at Kimber- they make a full-sized .22lr 1911. RIA makes a 1911 with a .22lr conversion top end and sells it as a pair. You can build up a 1911 frame and buy a Nelsons' Conversions .22lr top end and have an awesome design.

However, all of these will be full-sized frames, and thus larger than the 2 .22lr handguns you list.


So, what is your REAL goal: a smaller size .22lr or a BHP in .22lr?

It won't be both.

 

[johnwilliamson062]

I'm going to buy the Browning 1911-22 also. As a separate purchase. Same with the PPK in .22. It is a purchase entirely separate. I will own all three.
My general trend right now is to sell anything centerfire I'm not shooting regularly and buy something rimfire.

The 85% smaller would be best. I wish Browning would make make 85% .22lr HiPower. I have contacted them about it in the past. They are not going to do it, so I have to look at something like a Ciener conversion to get one. I realize a slide isn't going to shrink the frame or turn it into a 1911.

The financial loss will be minuscule compared to what I have lost on some other custom projects I got tired of and sold. Like my ultimate SKS and finely tuned mini-14.

It would be helpful if I could find some decent videos on youtube showing the Ciener disassembly. I'm not even sure what this video is showing.

You need to ask yourself what you really want to do with the gun.

Take it to the range with a half dozen other .22s and a couple of friends and shoot a 550 pack of ammo over the course of a few hours.