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tatters

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Not wishing to offend anyone......
A while back, I remember a thread concerning a church's anti gun and anti self protection stand, but I don't remember which church it was.

The wife and I are looking to join a church, and I don't want to support a church with strong anti sentiments.

Can anyone give me an idea as to which churches are more or less anti self-protection?

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"Any world that I'm welcome to.....Is better than the one I come from"

[This message has been edited by tatters (edited October 29, 2000).]
 
Methodist(sp) was the one talked about.The only problem many others on a idividual basis are allso the same.My brother quite a catholic church because of the priests anti gun stance.The best would be talk directly to the minister or priest about how they feel and go fromn there.
Good luck

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
You will also have to avoid Presbyterian USA churches. There are many different "factions" of the Presbyterian denomination and some are quite pro-RKBAs. The Presbyterian USA organization is not one of these. Do not go there. Your contributions once in the hands of the synod, or the Presbytery will be sent to the Center to prevent handgun violence. Also, the Anglican or Episcopalian church is anti-RKBA's. There is an agreement between Presbyterian church USA, the United Methodist church, and the Episcopalian church that somewhat binds the three (a sort of globalization of protestants). There are also many other Methodist Churches out there that aren't "United" Methodists. Hope this helps. I quit attending after getting disgusted with the whole situation. I too will be searching for a new church. Perhaps Baptists will have a beer drinking, dancing, sinner amongst them! Good Luck!
 
Luckily the Chatholic Church has stayed pretty nuetral so far on this. Not ompletely but for the most part. I carry in charch with no problems. Heck my Pastor once used a shotgun in his sermon and is very Pro RKBA.
 
A very good friend is an Episcopalian priest and pro-RBKA. He's also ex-military. :) But then he's one of the rare conservatives in that denomination, and if the denomination makes just one more liberal move, he's gonna have to leave. beemerb is right, talking to the individual clergyman is the best way to go.

I know an Assemblies of God church whose 'men's ministry' was simply the guys going hunting together. When they got a non-hunter from back east as a pastor, they had to educate him. :) He never really 'converted,' but was rather neutral. As the church got bigger, the hunting aspect got diluted. But I still fondly remember the 'old leadership' showing up for church with week-old beards they'd grown while hunting together.

My pastor isn't around SLC much this month, as he runs a hunting camp in Colorado as his 'tentmaking' business. :D Independent Baptist. We asked him what he'd think of one of his congregation carrying, and he said he'd feel safer.

--Denise
 
Guys with all do respect. When I go to Church I go to talk and be with God. I really don't care wheather the Priest/Minister is rkba or not. I can debate that with him at a later time.

I think it's great that you want to join a church thats pro gun but what happens if you join a church,you like the Priest/Minister/Rabbi whatever and a year from now he quits moves dies? do you quit the church? leave the friends you've made cause another one came in and is'nt rkba?

This is just my opinion and thoughts no more and you do as you wish.For me if I was to join a church I would look at it for the people that are there,the school they have if they have,and my relationship with God.

Don't flame me too hard on this one.

Best wishes Best luck Poacher.
 
I think Poacher nailed it. Your religion should be about your belief in, and relationship with God. If the changing of a single pastor can change the doctrine of your church then the foundation of that church is built on sand.

Read, ponder, then pray. Then decide what you should do.
 
Tatters,

You might try the Mormons. We're VERY conservative and believe strongly in the RKBA. Also in being fully prepared as individuals and families for when TSHTF. And no, we don't worship the devil.

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
 
I think what Tatters is worried about is the giving of money to the chruch and what it will be used for. I don't believe in churches myself. Next to banks, they are the most elaborate buildings ever made. So you know that your money is going into the building and not as what you owe to G-d. I used to go to an old Baptist church.. built in the 1800's and just kept up. Didn't have all these fancy meeting halls, kitchens, etc.. The money that you gave went to keep up repairs, help supliment the Paster's pay and went to charities that were Voted on by the members of the church. Money also went to the people who had need and to those who died/loss someone and couldn't pay for the expenses of death. This church believed in the old ways of doing things.. we helped others, had little carnivals as fund raisers, etc.

I've yet to find another.

I now choose to just stay at home and worship. I don't feel like you need to belong to a building or a person in order to be right in G-d's eyes.

USP45usp
 
The most important things about a local church are its doctrinal beliefs and whether it practices Biblical injunctions. The first question should be: "Do you believe the Bible literally?" If the answer is no don't go there. A pastor who is committed to preaching and teaching the Word does not have time to preach gun control. If he is preaching gun control he is a liberal who is more interested in his social agenda than the Word of God. Preachers have more important things to preach in the 45 minutes or so that they have for a sermon than guns on either side of the issue. They need to be telling people how to get saved and how to lead holy lives. That is the problem today. I don't personally know of a fundamental pastor who is anti-gun. FYI I am an Independent, Fundamental Baptist. I believe the Bible literally and want nothing to do with a church which doesn't. Jerry
 
USP is pretty much right in the spirit of my question. I do believe the church is what the people who belong make it, that isn't my issue.

If I remember right, the church that was mentioned in the thread I was thinking of basically said to surrender yourself and your family to the bad guy if you were ever to be put against the wall.

I cannot support this line of thinking, and I don't want to be party to some anti group getting ahold of my money.

I give my offering to the church for their physical upkeep and to support the growth of spiritual learning.

Dennis-- I am a non- practicing Mormon, and we are looking into that church once again.
My only issue with them is the way they want to separate the husbands and the wives during the course of their worship time.
My wife and I are absolutely equal, and I don't feel comfortable in that respect.

Not to turn this into a religious discussion,
just a question about who supports who.

I went to the United Methodist church today, and had a wonderful time, and yes I was armed.

I kinda made up my own rules, as we are sometimes forced to do, and I am no worse for the wear.

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"Any world that I'm welcome to.....Is better than the one I come from"
 
while I understand the need to feel comfortable with the political agenda of your congregation, as far as CCW goes (and I don't mean to be flipant), but focus on 'concealed' and keep your own counsel. Et cum spiri, tu tuo. M2
 
Tatters, I'm Mormon. And if this is any help my Bishop and my Stake President both know that I carry. In fact, for a Ward activity I took about twenty new-to-guns people shooting this summer. :)

I don't want to discuss my religion here out of respect to TFLers of whatever faith, but if you have any questions or want to talk my e-mail is available.
 
Thanks, Correia, and all the rest who replied.
I will probably follow the path mentioned in Mike in VA's post.

I will also find out if my financial support goes to any anti causes.
For this I will consult the officials at this church.

I don't mind a differing opinion. I just don't want to support someone in their quest to take my 2nd amendment right away.

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"Any world that I'm welcome to.....Is better than the one I come from"
 
Tatters,

Where do you live in Indiana? I live about 10-15 miles west of Indy and attend a church on the west side of Indy. I know at least five others that carry in worship. I know of no antis among us. But then I don't know everyone's thought on the issue. However our leadership is pro-gun. But we don't support HCI or the NRA with our money. We feed the hungry and cloth the poor, as we should.

Regards,
MP

PS many churches in America are independent, therefore no governing body gives money to "political" issues. Check out church of Christ, Christian church, Community churches, and other independent churches.
 
Tatters, as one poster said, any fundemental Bible believing, teaching church, will be pro self defense.( run from the rest).
That said, the first thing you need to make sure of is your relationship to Jesus Christ.....once you are under HIS blood, then the other things will take care of themselves.
You don't say what area of the country you are from, but if their are any Southern Baptist churches available, try a few of them..........if you do not have a sword, then sell your cloak and buy one......E mail me if you want to discuss offline
 
Hey MP- I live close to Ft Wayne. I will of course continue to carry in the church we finally choose. Concealed means exactly that.

Thanks so much for the reply.


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"Any world that I'm welcome to.....Is better than the one I come from"
 
Hmmm....lots of "scripture only" folks in here. I like to see that.

Are we talking about politics, religion or faith? Unfortunately, too many people seem to get them confused now a days.
 
I was raised a Lutheran. I didn't really like the people at my church...they were too much like the Simpson's neighbors. So I'm pretty much a non-denominational Protestant now. However, my grandfather is a Baptist, and I remember him telling me that his preacher said ya can't go wrong stocking up on guns or silver. I guess that preacher prepares his church for the worst hehe...but I thought that was pretty neato.
 
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