Choosing a car gun...

Specialized gun roles make me question the edc choice. If there is need for more rounds, let's just carry and train that way. Not to be snarky, just an observation.
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I would second this. When you're in the car the greatest attribute is the ability to get away. Assuming you can't do so, then yes the gun comes into play. But if you're concerned that your daily carry doesn't afford you enough firepower, then maybe you need to reconsider your daily carry? Often people with single stack pistols will say that the capacity is enough for them. Why is it enough on foot, but not in a car? What about reloads?

As a related anecdote, in one course I took a gentleman chose to run it with his S&W Shield. Fair enough, he chose to use for the class what he actually carried. During the drills he would obviously run out long before many others as he only had 3 mags. Towards the end of the day he started getting frustrated with standing around and in his opinion wasting time. The instructor asked him if he felt an attacker would give him the time in the real world to go to the back and reload his mags?
 
"Securing the gun is a good idea, but it's not your responsibility."

Bill I will have to disagree with you, being a responsible gun owner makes it your responsibility.

I also disagree with a car gun unless it is a long gun. I always have my weapon on me or in the safe. I am a responsible gun owner and will do my best to keep my weapons from getting in the hands of a thief.

Also "It's not irresponsible to expect your belongings to be safe in your car." The same could be said for your home but how many here have safes and alarms and dogs and lights to protect your home and all its belongings but you expect only a piece of glass to protect stuff you put in your car??:rolleyes:
 
While I am against the idea of a car gun (especially when one is already being carried by you) what type of holster do you use for the PPS? If it is an easy on, easy off could you simply store that in the car when in a place where you cannot carry/while driving? If not, I'm sure you could find a kydex trigger cover and attach it inside of your console with a length of cord. I have a Raven Concealment Vanguard holster that has a strut attached for that very purpose. I have seen many companies selling a similar product like this:

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$25 is a lot cheaper than another gun, and you could always keep a spare 8 round magazine or two in with it. If that doesn't work, this seems like the perfect time to pick up a P99/P99c/PPQ.

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I'll believe this when Glock equips their guns with an affirmative external safety, and Glock owners do the same.
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I think that was in reference to keeping them in a safe and secure location. I have two-three loaded guns in my house, and all are kept in a safe because I also have two kids. I do not think for a second that any manual safety would keep them from firing it, which is why they are in the safe. A Glock with a defeatable safety still has a relatively light pull. My kids can't pull the trigger on my Sig, but as a responsible parent I will never put that to the test... Until we are out on the range of course.
 
I love the religious nature of the replies to this post, lotsa preaching. A car gun seems like a good idea, I like a DA revolver, for the modern types (Tupperware folk), the glock of their choice.
 
My new car gun is a Pt111 G2. I can't carry in the hospital so it hangs out in the car of the daytime. All other times it's either in a safe, on my side or in my hand. I always park it where Camera 34 watches the car all day long in the 7-3:30 lot. Before storing it, I remove the mag and carry them in with the rest of my mini BOB.

If you want to take risks leave your car in the South lot or park there at night.

For all you folks that say never leave a gun in the car, what do you do when you attend an event where it's prohibited? Or is once in a while acceptable?

Anyway for a cheap gun that gets the job do, the G2 is easily recommended.
 
Locking your car IS securing your gun. Keeping the gun out of sight in your locked car is securing your gun. Should you want to have a gun safe in your car, you can. You can even put the gun safe in another safe inside your locked car. Where do you stop?
Having a second gun in the car has lots of advantages. For example: I carry a Keltec P32 as my primary gun. I carry a 9mm in the car. I can retrieve it if I feel necessary, my wife can utilize it, it's easier to get to than the gun in my pocket. There are lots of reasons for a "car gun."
 
I keep a gun in my trunk, but not the cab of my car. I can't carry at work, so every night I take my G23 inside, then every morning I take it back it to the car, put it in the trunk, drive to work, work, drive home, take it out of the trunk and inside.

The general thinking for me is that I have a trunk-pop button on my car keys and my car is in a garage at home and a CCTV'd parking garage at work. The trunk G23 (an old beat up police trade in with all-new internals and mags) protects me going to and from my car to a decently large extent. It's not perfect but better than nothing.

I won't keep one in the cabin itself, too easy to steal, and I feel we law-abiding gun owners have a duty to minimize the extent to which criminals can obtain guns.
 
Mokumbear said:
Currently, I keep a Walther PPS 9mm in my center console.

I want to get another gun for the car since I also use the PPS for carry at times and am tired of having to go out to my car to get it and replace it with another gun.
It would also be nice to have a higher capacity magazine.

Here is my "wish list"...

1) Barrel not much longer than 4" so it fits my small center console.

2) Doesn't have to be a "beauty queen".
Most importantly, it must have 100% "click/bang" reliability.

3) I am thinking of the Ruger 9E.
Your thoughts?
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I keep my gun on my person, not in places.
 
He has an application where concealability is not a major issue, so he can get a larger and more capable weapon than his small concealed carry. He keeps his car in a locked garage=effectively the same thing as a safe. He wants the convenience of not having to constantly move it around. It's just there. I do the same with phone charge cords and shoe lifts.
When he is in his car, his car gun is his primary and his concealed carry is a back-up weapon. Having a plan with a back-up is good.
 
In Missouri you can carry a concealed handgun in your car even if you don't have a CC permit. It makes a lot of sense for those that don't don't do the daily carry. I have a car gun to compliment my daily carry anyway. It's just a lot easier to reach than my IWB carry. Don't take it with me on days that I have the shoulder holster and I do bring it in the house when I'm not in the car. I would recommend a TriStar C-100 in either 9mm or .40.
 
My carry gun goes in the console while driving. My cars have been broken into so many times I can't count them all. I don't leave anything of value in my vehicles unless there is no other option.

I plan on mounting a retention holster in each vehicle at some point soon.
 
It would depend on the climate. If it is dry, almost anything would work. If it is moist, stainless steel or Tupperware would be better.

I am a revolver guy, so for me it would be a nice big 357 or 44 special.

For semi-auto, the S&W 9VE or 40VE was a good suggestion. They are inexpensive and plastic. Mine is an okay gun. I don't love it, but it goes bang every time.

If moisture wasn't a consideration, I would probably use my Chinese 9mm Tokarev. It is reliable, can take a beating, and is worth very little money.

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Keeping a gun in a locked car is no different than keeping one in a locked safe. I have absolutely no problem with a "car" gun. I will admit, I do not have small kids though.
 
If you simply MUST have a "car gun" or Truck Toolbox Gun...make it a Hi Point.

If there is one pistol in the world which a crook would look at and NOT want, that's it.
 
ttheel said:
Keeping a gun in a locked car is no different than keeping one in a locked safe. I have absolutely no problem with a "car" gun. I will admit, I do not have small kids though.
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How is this true? A safe is in a dwelling. The criminal must break into the dwelling and then into a safe. If your safe is as easy to break in to as the tempered safety glass of a driver's side door then you need to invest in a better safe.
 
I agree with Sevens...A Concealed Carry is more than sufficient and is most secure to the carrier. There are too many break-ins and car jacking these days where your car is ransacked! If you feel an extra firearm is needed, it may seem properly "redundant," but I sense it may be your fear that your CCW is insufficient for personal protection.

Boncrayon,
LA CCW Certified Instructor
NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSo
 
Tunnel, most safes in homes today can be broken in to in less than 10 minutes with a couple of tools. Most folks think they are securing their firearms with a $1000 safe but they are not. If you want to truly secure a gun in a home you will need to spend $2500 plus on at a minimum 10 gauge steel safe....and that is the minimum.
 
ttheel said:
Tunnel, most safes in homes today can be broken in to in less than 10 minutes with a couple of tools. Most folks think they are securing their firearms with a $1000 safe but they are not. If you want to truly secure a gun in a home you will need to spend $2500 plus on at a minimum 10 gauge steel safe....and that is the minimum.
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It's still dramatically more effort and time than is required to break into a common car. To say otherwise is ludicrous. For that matter car thefts are notably more common than house thefts.
 
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