Chinese "Norinco GLOCK"
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The composite material, is propriety, the mixture, and temp. is secret?
I visited the Austrian plant of Glock, on more than one occasion.
You could eat off the floor! On Friday, the second half of the day was spent cleaning up, then the CNC machines were switched on, and worked away! On their own, till finished 6 hours?
Monday AM, the made parts were collected, machines filled up again.
When Japan first started copying Lancashire cotton, miles of it, one of the roles had a flaw in it, they copied it as well.
I visited the Austrian plant of Glock, on more than one occasion.
You could eat off the floor! On Friday, the second half of the day was spent cleaning up, then the CNC machines were switched on, and worked away! On their own, till finished 6 hours?
Monday AM, the made parts were collected, machines filled up again.
When Japan first started copying Lancashire cotton, miles of it, one of the roles had a flaw in it, they copied it as well.
Model12Win
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Beaut. I'd buy one.
carguychris
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Color me incredulous. What's the provenance of these photos, and to whom do the Chinese supposedly intend to sell these pistols? Most commercial and military markets in North America, Europe, Oceania, the Middle East, and South Asia are either closed to Chinese products or too small to be worth the effort. However, that does leave most of Africa and South America.
Glenn E. Meyer
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I think China sells lots of weapons. So I found this:
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...almost-doubles-weapons-exports-over-past-five
They might be worth producing for export.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...almost-doubles-weapons-exports-over-past-five
They might be worth producing for export.
militarygamer
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I own two pre-ban NORINCO's , and they are quality firearms. Can's say either is a beauty, but in this thread we are comparing to Glocks anyway. One is a 9mm pistol Model 213, an the other is a NORINCO/Poly Tech Type 56 SKS. The SKS amazes me to the simplistiy of a total disassembly and reassemly with nothing else required other than maybe a screwdriver.
VoodooMountain
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34 parts made almost entirely of plastic and stamped metal.
Not exactly difficult to copy.
I’m sure Norinco would have no problem making and selling these if they wanted too assuming it’s on the up and up.
Not exactly difficult to copy.
I’m sure Norinco would have no problem making and selling these if they wanted too assuming it’s on the up and up.
China makes very good military weapons. It's the products they make strictly for export to civilian markets that are at the level of garbage.
The Chinese have a strategy for taking control of the world wide market place, and it's almost evil, but very well thought out.
It's actually pretty simple.
Flood any given market with products of about 30% the quality and longevity of the competition. TVs Radios, clothing tires tools...it doesn't matter.
Now introduce those products to the market place at 15% the price of the competition.
So what you get on the first run is 2X the value of the other product. it lasts only 1/3 as long but costs only 1/6 as much.
This causes everyone to buy the Chinese product and in 5 years or so, the competition will go bankrupt. They can't compete because that would mean making cuts to the profits of 66% and cutting the wadges of the work force between 50% and 65%.
So they close the doors and are gone forever.
Next the Chinese raise the price of the exported goods to 85%-90% of the price of the competition when it was still in business.
Now what you have is a "disposable product line" but not the ability to simply throw them away at will, and buy new. They now cost too much to do that.
Soon the nation that's sold out to the Chinese has no control over it's fate for a period of 5 to 7 years. The Chinese can shut down exportation to that country and in one service life (which is as I said 1/8th the length we were used to) you have a broken or unserviceable item and you can't replace it or repair it. There are NO alternatives but to dance to the tune played by the nation of China.
So at that point, no nation can resist their will and the Chinese have control, with no military involvement at all. Instead of having poor quality goods and tools, you have none! And the industry that was competing is dead and gone, including the infrastructure that kept it afloat too. Such an infrastructure will take time to rebuild and in that time what tools do you have to use for the rebuilding? Broken Chinese ones!
Simple and very effective. And no Chinese lives put at risk, as they would be with a military take-over.
The reason that the Chinese Military goods are of high quality is that the governments that buy them are allied to China in one way or another, and the military of each country is what is used by its government to keep it's people subjected to their socialist will and whims.
If China is targeting only (or mostly) the Police and Military markets with their Glock copy I am sure it's going to be well made. If however it's going to be sold to the civilian market to a large degree, I am sure it's going to be made of sub-standard materials.
Anyway..........that's my guess.
The Chinese have a strategy for taking control of the world wide market place, and it's almost evil, but very well thought out.
It's actually pretty simple.
Flood any given market with products of about 30% the quality and longevity of the competition. TVs Radios, clothing tires tools...it doesn't matter.
Now introduce those products to the market place at 15% the price of the competition.
So what you get on the first run is 2X the value of the other product. it lasts only 1/3 as long but costs only 1/6 as much.
This causes everyone to buy the Chinese product and in 5 years or so, the competition will go bankrupt. They can't compete because that would mean making cuts to the profits of 66% and cutting the wadges of the work force between 50% and 65%.
So they close the doors and are gone forever.
Next the Chinese raise the price of the exported goods to 85%-90% of the price of the competition when it was still in business.
Now what you have is a "disposable product line" but not the ability to simply throw them away at will, and buy new. They now cost too much to do that.
Soon the nation that's sold out to the Chinese has no control over it's fate for a period of 5 to 7 years. The Chinese can shut down exportation to that country and in one service life (which is as I said 1/8th the length we were used to) you have a broken or unserviceable item and you can't replace it or repair it. There are NO alternatives but to dance to the tune played by the nation of China.
So at that point, no nation can resist their will and the Chinese have control, with no military involvement at all. Instead of having poor quality goods and tools, you have none! And the industry that was competing is dead and gone, including the infrastructure that kept it afloat too. Such an infrastructure will take time to rebuild and in that time what tools do you have to use for the rebuilding? Broken Chinese ones!
Simple and very effective. And no Chinese lives put at risk, as they would be with a military take-over.
The reason that the Chinese Military goods are of high quality is that the governments that buy them are allied to China in one way or another, and the military of each country is what is used by its government to keep it's people subjected to their socialist will and whims.
If China is targeting only (or mostly) the Police and Military markets with their Glock copy I am sure it's going to be well made. If however it's going to be sold to the civilian market to a large degree, I am sure it's going to be made of sub-standard materials.
Anyway..........that's my guess.
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Is Chinese plastic as good as Austrian plastic??
Does it matter??
If the Chinese plastic is good enough to pass muster (and what ever tests the buyer puts them through,) then the fact that it may not be as good as the Austrian really doesn't matter.
What will matter most is A) the gun does what the buyer expects it to do, and B) the PRICE.
the Chinese could very well do exactly what GLock did, dominate the market by selling an adequate product at a lower price.
remember that no one equips their troops/officers with the best product available, they buy what meets their requirements and is cheapest.
Does it matter??
If the Chinese plastic is good enough to pass muster (and what ever tests the buyer puts them through,) then the fact that it may not be as good as the Austrian really doesn't matter.
What will matter most is A) the gun does what the buyer expects it to do, and B) the PRICE.
the Chinese could very well do exactly what GLock did, dominate the market by selling an adequate product at a lower price.
remember that no one equips their troops/officers with the best product available, they buy what meets their requirements and is cheapest.
carguychris
New member
China is the country's geopolitical rival or outright military enemy (USA, Western Europe, Australia, Russia, Japan, India, Iran, Vietnam); they have political reasons and enough money and/or foreign benefactors to buy the "real thing" (Arab emirates, Iraq, Baltic countries); and/or Chinese firearms are banned from commercial sale (USA, much of Europe as I understand it).carguychris said:
Upon further consideration, there likely ARE more than enough military and police buyers out there to make this enterprise worthwhile; I forgot Pakistan (referenced heavily in Glenn's follow-up post), and many African countries have just the right combination of a slim defense budget and pretentious leaders who would like to present a modern image to the world—and I bet that some such countries have mineral resources the Chinese want.
reynolds357
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The polymer is easy to make. Most manufacturers make polymer weapons now.
Spats McGee
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I'd actually love to get my hands on one of these and put it through its paces.
johnwilliamson062
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The US military buys all kinds of things from China indirectly. I've heard almost all US military electronics hardware is made in and flashed with firmware in China.