Children arrested for playing in a tree

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Children arrested, DNA tested, interrogated and locked up... for playing in a tree

KHUSHWANT SACHDAVE/Daily Mail | August 4 2006

To the 12-year-old friends planning to build themselves a den, the cherry tree seemed an inviting source of material.

But the afternoon adventure turned into a frightening ordeal for Sam Cannon, Amy Higgins and Katy Smith after they climbed into the 20ft tree - then found themselves hauled into a police station and locked in cells for up to two hours.

Their shoes were removed and mugshots, DNA samples and mouth swabs were taken.

Officers told the children they had been seen damaging the tree which is in a wooded area of public land near their homes.

Questioned by police, the scared friends admitted they had broken some loose branches because they had wanted to build a tree house, but said they did not realise what they had done was wrong.

Officers considered charging the children with criminal damage but eventually decided a reprimand - the equivalent of a caution for juveniles - was sufficient.

Although the reprimand does not amount to court action and the children do not have a

criminal record, their details will be kept on file for up to five years.

The parents of the children, who all live in Halesowen, West Midlands, say they are angry with police for treating their children as hardened criminals and accused officers of over-reacting.

The three, who have never been in trouble with the police before, were described as well-behaved and placid by their parents.

Amy's mother, Jacqueline, said

her daughter was left so traumatised by the police action last month she refused to sleep in her bed for a week.

Miss Higgins, 37, an office manager, added: 'Amy was scared bucketloads to be locked up in a cell knowing murderers and rapists have been sat in the same cells. The police action was completely unbalanced. These were children playing in a tree.

'The information taken by the police will be held on record for five years and Amy is worried it could affect her going to college or university.'

Sam's father, Nicholas, 52, said: 'The children did not deserve to be treated in the way they were. A simple ticking-off by officers would have been sufficient.

'The children didn't realise they were doing anything wrong, they didn't deliberately set out to damage the tree.

'Sam's eyes were swollen and red when they let him out of the cell as he had been crying. He is a placid child and has never been in trouble before.

'When I got the phone call from the police to say Sam was in custody I thought he'd done something-like steal something from a shop. I couldn't believe it when he said all he had done was break some loose branches off a tree.

'To detain them, DNA them and treat them that way was simply cruel and an over-reaction by the police. Generations of children have played in that tree and my son and his friends won't be the first to have thought of building a tree den.'

Mr Cannon, who said Sam had difficulty sleeping shortly after the incident, has written to the police to complain about the action taken.

Superintendent Stuart Johnson, operations manager at Halesowen police station, said: 'I support the actions of my officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it, in an area where there have been reports of anti-social behaviour.

'A boy and two girls were arrested and received a police reprimand for their behaviour.

'West Midlands Police deals robustly with anti-social behaviour. By targeting what may seem relatively low-level crime we aim to prevent it developing into more serious matters.'

Rod Morgan, chairman of the Youth Justice Board for England and Wales, said the police action appeared to be unnecessary.

'It's my opinion that too many children are being criminalised for behaviour that could be dealt with informally by ticking them off and speaking to their parents.'
 
Jolly Old England, where the professional criminals get a warning for burglary and little children are thown in Jail for climbing a tree.

That country seems ripe for a major political sea change.

Geoff
Who wants reform in all of western civiliazation. :mad:
 
The last time i was in England,death by hanging was the method used to deal with criminals convicted of capital crimes and guns of all types were legal.Now burglars get warning's,no death penalty and children are tossed in jail for anti-social behavior(climbing a tree)and guns are illegal.England,an empire of kooks.
 
Well...

It's a good thing we separated from them 200+ years before crap like this happend eh, chaps?:D As for suggesting England go through a sea of change, I agree, it's time the Scots and the Irish take over... FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMM!!!:D


Epyon
 
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Sounds like the country needs a revolutionary war against the government. I did not realize how bad tings were over there. Maybe worse than kali.:eek: :barf:
 
Epyon said:
As for suggesting England go through a sea of change, I agree, it's time the Scots and the Irish take over... FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMM!!!

The Scots? SCOTLAND? Take over? Take the brits back to sanity is what I took you to mean, but maybe you need to read about Scotland today. The Scots can show you a thing or two about socialism. It's not just the gov't either. It's the populace. They are lost. Gone. Lenin would be proud. I watched the ceremonies of their Parliamentary Independence (devolution, it is called) back in, I think, June of 2000. Scotland has been part of the British Empire for too long now. And they lead the way in socialist law making in Europe. Sad that such a fierce independent people should become the very flocks they used to tend.
 
You gun nuts just don't get it. That tree was just sitting there soaking up the sun and being flora. Those evil little monsters climbed its branches and had "fun". Kids don't climb trees, they like to sit quietly and watch the news. Kids like this are trouble makers with their "playtime" which translate to things like drug peddling, prostitution rings, contract killings, and extortion rackets! You people are obviously too backwards to see how jailing these children isn't enough, they should have been executed on the spot Punisher-style!


I'm just kidding. England is scary.
 
We can't really crow too gleefully about that kind of excess. Here in the Land of the Free, we've had arrests of elementary school students over similar trivialities, handcuffs and all...and in some cases, even stun guns.
 
True, I remember seeing the police doing a drug search at a school and one had his gun drawn on a kid that was face down. Now call me cynical but I don't think a young teenager could have really posed that much of a threat for an officer to point a lethal weapon at him. Between that and the barking dogs it brought up images of Jewish women and children being lead to cattle carts. We should be vigilant against actions like this from the authorities.
 
Obviously, the thread title and article have misrepresented why the kids were arrested. Apparently, the arrest was a result of damaging the tree, not climbing it or playing in it. The question is then one of why damage to the tree is significant for any legal reasons. We this a rare tree of some protected species, a tresspass and/or vandalism offense, or what. On just what grounds were the cops summoned to the location where the kids played?

My guess there is something more than the titling suggests. I had two buddies in junior high school arrested for playing with sticks and the parents were outraged for their treatment. Of course, the playing involved breaking out more than 50 windows of the elementary school with said stick with which they were playing, so the charge was not actually for playing with a stick or sticks.

The treatment by the cops here may have been extreme, but I would be more interested in knowing what the justification for them being called out was and what supposed laws were broken.
 
Doesnt england have laws pertaining to destruction of public property (including trees)? Im guessing they were arrested under this statue. In this country that would never happen because the minor has to have a parent, lawyer, or guardian present before the police can question, or take any kind of DNA sample otherwise its illegal interrogation.

SW
 
DNS, that's just it. Even if they broke the law, the way they were apprehended totally trumps what they did (unless they were using the branches to hit people or smash windows and such, but it doesn't seem like that). The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Besides, kids climb trees and when I was younger I always ripped off branches with my friends for sword fights or making pretend rafts and such. It's harmless fun. Now I acknowledge that kids should understand to obey laws but actions like this reinforce them to have negative feelings toward the police and the Law. If that happened to me I'd have a rather sour and openly hostile outlook towards the cops afterwards. Also, imagine putting a child (they weren't even teenagers) into a jail cell where rapists, murderers, child molestors, and thieves are put into. Not to mention after having DNA samples taken without a parent around to help them understand what is even going on, much less give permission for their child to have the DNA sample taken. What are they going to do with the samples? Check the branches laying around another tree for hair, spit, sperm, etc?
 
Bud Helms...

I see, how disappointing, you would think that the movie Braveheart would push Scotland to be rekindled into the fierce strong people they once were. You know, I never understood why societies that fought wars against tyranny usually don't like the idea of keeping their weapons around, just in case. It seems America is the only country that really stands out on relatively lax gun laws. (Well, somewhat, because there are parts of Asia and Africa where no one gives a crap that you open carry your fully automatic assault rifle, it's commonplace, and I'm not talking about warzones either, even in politically stable areas around the India/Nepal and the Punjab region of India.) I've asked my family time and again, "If we being a small nation, that suffered from a massacre that pushed us into war against Pakistan, why didn't we keep our weapons after the war was over? Wasn't it a valuable lesson to know that had the citizens been armed before the massacre more lives could've been saved?" The only answer I usually get is, "We're not that kind of people, we don't like to fight." However, I do believe in "sic vis pacem parabellum".


Epyon
 
Scotland is free!!!

They can take our lives but they can never take our freedom!!!!

They say William Wallace can also shoot lightening bolts out of his arse!!!

Sorry, Braveheart was too funny for me to take seriously.
 
+1 to Geoff Timm.

I was thinking exactly what you said in your first part.

The second part, about England being ready for a sea-change, I believe is mistaken. As I understand it, the public clamors for this kind of thing, and wails for the government to step in and protect the subjects in just about all things.

The spirit of independence is long dead in England, from what I can gather. The people there, at least a large enough majority, are a socialist fascist regime's wet dream. They LONG to be overlorded. They are truly that deluded, that they think the government should be the solution to all problems.


-azurefly
 
Bleh...

Never been a fan of the British, you know how most Americans seem to have a disdain for the French? I feel that way for the British. Crazy people who want Big Brother to watch them, isn't it startling how London is the most surveyed country in the world? Cameras are EVERYWHERE in that city. Just like in the book 1984!!:eek:


Epyon
 
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