Chicago #1 murder capital in USA

[Hunter Customs]

I just read where Chicago is now the number one murder capital in the USA.
I find it ironic that the city with some of most stringent gun control policies is the number one murder capital in the USA.

It makes me think of when the KC mayor said they have a gun problem, wrong again.
In my neck of the woods there sure is a lot of folks that own and use guns, however you see very little if any gun crime, so I have to conclude they have a people problem and not a gun problem.

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Bob Hunter
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[shortwave]

It makes me think of when the KC mayor said they have a gun problem, wrong again.
In my neck of the woods there sure is a lot of folks that own and use guns, however you see very little if any gun crime, so I have to conclude they have a people problem and not a gun problem.

I'd say you're right Bob,

Check out where Detroit and Flint Mich. set on the list.
Michigan has much less stringent gun laws and yet Det. and Flint always fight over the top three spots for most violent crimes.

The gangs have literally taken over both cities.

The Det. and Flint Metro PD are outnumbered by the gangs thanks to their prior mayors not funding LE classes. The last governor of Mich. funded everything but LE classes.
Thankfully the current Gov. of Mich. is funding more MSP LE classes but is having a hard time playing catch up caused by the neglect of the prior Gov.

If it wasn't for the Mich. State Police moving in and helping the Det. and Flint Metro PD, LE would be next to nothing in both cities.

Agree that it is the people and not guns.

One thing for sure, stagnant water left standing soon becomes a cesspool.

 

[Coyote Blue]

Going by the FBI stats of murders per 100,000 population, New Orleans is by far the worst at 57.6. Followed by:

2.Detroit 48.2
3.St.Louis 35.3
4.Newark 33.8
5.Baltimore 31.3

For 2012, Chicago is far back at about 18.Miami is right there with Chicago at 18. Remember ,Chicago has almost 3 million people.

New York City, with over 8 million population, comes in at an incredibly low. 6.3
The average for the entire United States is about 5.4, almost back to 1960 levels.

Stats Here 2011:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

I just read where Chicago is now the number one murder capital in the USA.

These are according to total numbers of murders by city.

Going by the FBI stats of murders per 100,000 population, New Orleans is by far the worst at 57.6. Followed by:

These are as stated per capita.

But I guess the main point is more this

I find it ironic that the city with some of most stringent gun control policies is the number one murder capital in the USA.

The reason Chicago seems to be he reciprocal point being pounded home because it shows that murder is still very high in a city with so much gun control proving it doesn't work.

That and it's home to the most anti-gun President to ever take office.

 

[Tom Servo]

The reason Chicago seems to be he reciprocal point being pounded home because it shows that murder is still very high in a city with so much gun control proving it doesn't work.

That's a good point to make. To suggest that murder rates in City A are higher than City B because of City A's stricter gun-control laws is a dangerous one. There can be innumerable other factors at work.

That and it's home to the most anti-gun President to ever take office

I'm not so sure that's the case. FDR, LBJ, and Clinton did more harm to our rights than the current administration has.

 

[shortwave]

That's a good point to make. To suggest that murder rates in City A are higher than City B because of City A's stricter gun-control laws is a dangerous one.

Exactly.

Stricter or more lenient gun laws has never been a good means of measuring the potential for crime rate in a particular city.
Obviously, a criminal doesn't really care if there are 10 gun laws on the books or 10,000.

Example: Washington D.C.., New York, New Jersey, California as well as Chicago all have the strictest of gun laws in the U.S. and all have crime rates comparible or above average to cities with less stringent laws.

Economy, population, etc. in a particular city all contribute to crime rates in that city.

 

[gaseousclay]

That's a good point to make. To suggest that murder rates in City A are higher than City B because of City A's stricter gun-control laws is a dangerous one. There can be innumerable other factors at work.

exactly. i'd look at the higher per capita rate of poverty & unemployment in a given region as contributing factors, not strict gun control. People like to point out that they live in a region with little to no crime, but they also live in a rural community with a significantly smaller population, compared to a densely populated urban center like Chicago.

I think one of the reasons why Chicago is so anti-gun is because the idea that more guns will deter crime is viewed as a falsehood, especially when you consider the potential for collateral damage in an urban environment.

 

[Mike38]

I really wish a rational politician would answer some questions. Instead of screaming to ban guns, why don’t we work on the reason people grab a gun and start randomly shooting? Is it mental illness? Poverty? Drugs? What is it? But no, all the politicians can do is talk about banning guns.

This just happened last night in Chicago.

www.wlsam.com
(CHICAGO) -- 9/19/2013 -- At least 13 people, including a 3-year-old boy, were shot at a basketball court on Chicago's South Side Thursday night, authorities said.

The incident happened near Cornell Square Park around 10:15 p.m. Twelve of the victims were transported from the scene via ambulance, while the other walked in to a local hospital.

The injured boy is listed in critical condition at Mt. Sinai Hospital with a gunshot wound to the ear that exited through his mouth, police spokesman Ron Gaines told ABC News. Four others are in serious condition and the rest are in stable or good condition.

Ages of the victims range from 3 to 37 years old and include two teenagers, according to Gaines. Three of the victims are females.

The motive for the shooting is believed to be gang-related, Gaines said. No information was given about potential suspects but police are investigating.

 

[shortwave]

The motive for the shooting is believed to be gang-related, Gaines said

And more then likely so.

The politicians don't have a clue anymore then you or I do about how to completely stop these kind of tragedies from happening. So to make it look to the general public and to make the general public think they(politicians) are attempting to do something about it, here comes more gun laws. Which does nothing to stop these tragedies but gives the public that false 'warm fuzzy' feeling many politicians are good at doing.
That 'fuzzy feeling' usually lasts till the next tragedy happens that mirrors the prior tragedy.
Then instead of re-calling the prior law designed to stop those prior tragedies...here comes more laws, along with more fuzzy feelings and the cycle continues....tragedy, laws, fuzzy feeling...tragety, laws, fuzzy feeling...RE-ELECTION...tragedy, laws, fuzzy feeling... etc...etc...etc.

All the while the criminal could care less what laws are instilled cause:

A) some good attorney is going to get his sentence plead down to a lessor charge

B)'the laws' are made for the same people locks are designed for...honest people.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

I really wish a rational politician would answer some questions. Instead of screaming to ban guns, why don’t we work on the reason people grab a gun and start randomly shooting? Is it mental illness? Poverty? Drugs? What is it? But no, all the politicians can do is talk about banning guns.

The Anti-gun politicians are using highly publicized tragedies that cannot be prevented through new laws to promote their agenda to gain support and power. Never let a good tragedy go to waste.... that's the rule for them.

It's not like they really want answers or alternatives, they want a police state or something similar. Its a political tool and they are going to use it.

 

[Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret]

i'd look at the higher per capita rate of poverty & unemployment in a given region as contributing factors,

This comment is a slap in the face to the millions of poor people in this country who don't shoot into crowded basketball courts.

they have a people problem and not a gun problem.

Oh, we can get WAY more specific than that. Did you know that half of the murders and robberies are committed by 3% of the population?

 

[Tom Servo]

This comment is a slap in the face to the millions of poor people in this country who don't shoot into crowded basketball courts.

That's not a callous or stereotypical comment. Poverty and unemployment are contributing factors to crime. Does that mean every poor person is a potential murderer? Absolutely not, but those factors need to be considered.

 

[Armed_Chicagoan]

Chicago doesn't have a gun problem, Chicago has a gang problem.

Our idiot police superintendent gave a press conference today in which he kept repeating "illegal guns, illegal guns, illegal guns", and called for yet more gun bans. I guess making them double illegal will help somehow?

But it's no wonder Chicago pols always emphasize gun violence as opposed to gang violence, seeing as how many of them are in bed with the gangs. In many ways it hasn't changed much since the Capone era, except instead of illegal alcohol fueling the gang warfare like it was in the 1920s today it's illegal drugs. The inevitable result of prohibition.

 

[Nathan]

Why don't we ban murder and gangs?

 

[CurlyQ.Howard]

I'd look at whether a city enforces the laws - or not, and Chicago doesn't enforce even the FOID requirement.

 

[shortwave]

We need to not only look at what the politicians are doing with the laws but how the judges and prosecutors are enforcing them.

There are is more crazy deals and plea bargains being made in our court systems in favor of the criminals by prosecutors and signed off by judges then we can even imagine.

Example: here locally a couple years ago, there was a neighborhood marijuana dealer that got busted with a couple lbs. In the safe where the dope was at, there was also 13 guns. A mix of long guns and handguns. This guy was a felon,which meant every gun he had was a seperate charge. He was looking at more time for the firearms then the dope.

The local PD busted him, sixteen more people were busted the same day and following day. The bust made the paper with no mention of the guns. He was never charged with the guns and did very little time for the dope.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what happened.

Some may say that LE has to use these tactics in the war against drugs and to a certain extent I agree. But you just can't do that extent of plea bargaining with these criminals when guns are involved and at the same time try and strip the honest person's right to have guns to defend themselves.

MADD has made a much needed change in DUI convictions by having MADD members sit in courtrooms everyday documenting judges that reduce DUI's to wreckless op.

Don't think that same system would work for plea bargains for lessor gun charges cause the public would never know a deal had been made in the first place. But something similar ought to be able to be done...thoughts...ideas?

 

[Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret]

Amazing

Some of you think poor people are the ones shooting up the 'hood!? Amazing! Drug dealers who shoot rivals are not poor.
A guy was convicted this week of running guns to Chicago from Indiana. He was paid handsomely to do this. My point is felons pay 130% of retail price for a gun. They are not poor. There is a myth that a gun used in a murder is sold cheap or thrown away because it'll implicate the guy caught with it. Not true. 85% of murders go unsolved to begin with.
You wanna see who is doing the shooting? Youtube: dmemg we gunnin dir bo-g.
Tell me they look poor to you. Turn the sound off.
Poverty is NOT an precursor of criminal activity.

 

[gaseousclay]

Some of you think poor people are the ones shooting up the 'hood!? Amazing! Drug dealers who shoot rivals are not poor.

A guy was convicted this week of running guns to Chicago from Indiana. He was paid handsomely to do this. My point is felons pay 130% of retail price for a gun. They are not poor. There is a myth that a gun used in a murder is sold cheap or thrown away because it'll implicate the guy caught with it. Not true. 85% of murders go unsolved to begin with.
You wanna see who is doing the shooting? Youtube: dmemg we gunnin dir bo-g.
Tell me they look poor to you. Turn the sound off.
Poverty is NOT an precursor of criminal activity.

First, to suggest that all crimes in a given area are drug related simply isn't true. Second, one of the reasons why someone might get into drug dealing is because they're poor. Of course successful drug dealers are going to make money, that's why they do it. But, I would also suggest that these are individuals that fell through the cracks in society, whether it's because of poverty, coming from a broken home or simply having zero opportunity to do something with their lives. I think you're painting a very inaccurate caricature as to the root of criminal behavior

 

[shortwave]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret
Some of you think poor people are the ones shooting up the 'hood!? Amazing! Drug dealers who shoot rivals are not poor.

A guy was convicted this week of running guns to Chicago from Indiana. He was paid handsomely to do this. My point is felons pay 130% of retail price for a gun. They are not poor. There is a myth that a gun used in a murder is sold cheap or thrown away because it'll implicate the guy caught with it. Not true. 85% of murders go unsolved to begin with.
You wanna see who is doing the shooting? Youtube: dmemg we gunnin dir bo-g.
Tell me they look poor to you. Turn the sound off.
Poverty is NOT an precursor of criminal activity.

Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret

With all due respect, unless you've lived in the 'hood', there's not much you can tell me about it. I spent more years living there then I care to remember.

I can tell you that the 'avenue' was jumpin so fast, 24/7 you didn't need a TV for entertainment

Couple Examples:
1) Had two car loads of rival gangbangers passing each other, but stopped for some conversation right in front of my house. Conversation got heated very quickly. A guy bails from the passenger side of one car and as he's getting out of the car he's drawing a pistol from his rear pocket. Gun goes off and he's flopping around in my front yard like a fish with bullet holes in his butt. Both cars took off leaving him there.

2) Four doors down at an intersection right in front of the high school @ 6:00pm. Cabby pulled from his cab, robbed , beat then shot dead. Broad daylight.

3) My wedding night... didn't have money to go anywhere so my new bride and I invited my brother and his wife over to get a pizza. Brother ran out of cigs. so at about 10pm he and I decided to walk one block down the street to a Convenient store. As we were walking on the sidewalk towards the store a guy came out of the alley we were approaching and started across the street towards us. Luckily, due to a street light I spotted something shiny in his hand. He got to the center of the street and the shiny objects were two opened lock-blade knives taped together. I pulled a pistol on him and told him to not come any closer. He stopped and said he only wanted a cig. I again told him not to come any closer, drop the knives and to get away from us.
Surprisingly he threw the knives down and ran back up the alley.
We got to the store and was standing in line when a guy busted through the front door of the store screaming "call 911" his girlfriend had just been stabbed.
As it turned out, this same guy that approached us went back up the alley to his sister's house. He wanted $20 from her, she refused him and he stabbed her in the stomach with a steak knife. He had only been out on parole for a couple months doin time for stabbing another guy in a local bar.

These are just a few highlights of events that happened within 7-8 doors of my house in one summer.

That's living in the "hood".

These guys you see video's of cruisin the high $ cars have most likely worked their way up the 'street ladder' and are at the top of the 'drug' food chain. The soldiers they have workin for them are the thugs doin the dirty work in the streets.

 

[Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret]

I live in Humboldt Park