Chertoff calls for stronger anti-terror laws

I will laugh with glee when I see the looks on the faces of the conservative War-on-a-Noun crowd when they realize that those nifty tools will remain in the toolshed of the White Hosue whenever the next Democrat POTUS moves in.

The next Democrat in the White House won't have to try and get new legislation passed to take your guns and flush the rest of the BoR down the toilet...the conservatives will have done the job for him (or her).
 
I will laugh with glee when I see the looks on the faces of the conservative War-on-a-Noun crowd when they realize that those nifty tools will remain in the toolshed of the White Hosue whenever the next Democrat POTUS moves in.

LOL... I imagine with all the wiretapping Cheney will get he better start using snail mail.
 
Badbob

It was their job, bad cop, good cop bunko. If you want to be independent, vote independent. Has either party done any thing good for the Constitution? Vote the bums out.
 
buckster,
Why attack me? I DO vote independent. I caught on to the 'Dem enact it, Rep carry it out and vice versa' a looong time ago. The two major parties are two tracks on the same tank. As long as the people buy into the left v. right, black v. white. Christian v. Muslim, etc. paradigm, fed by the gov. through the media, America is going to continue its downward slide.:mad:

badbob
 
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;(think speeding, jaywalking, no seatbelt, etc.)
Bob, I believe those are traffic violations.
 
mad, yes they are. Are traffic laws not criminal laws?:confused:
I may be wrong, but I sure get treated like a criminal and I'm pretty sure I would be killed if I resisted in a traffic stop. On the other hand, things only get truly nasty if I, or they, escalate the situation to the next level. Not meaning to be facetious, I honestly don't where the line is drawn between the traffic law and criminal law.:)

badbob
 
mad, yes they are. Are traffic laws not criminal laws?
Not that I'm aware of, Bob. I believe criminal codes are seperate from traffic codes. Even failure to obey is a traffic offense, up to a certain point. "The next level" you refer to sounds like it may be a criminal offense.
 
Thanks, mad, looks like I need to come up with a better argument. I still don't like the Patriot Act though.:)

"Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." From Brezhinsky's book, Between Two Ages.

badbob
 
Badbob, that quote actually reminds me of MySpace more than anything. It's like a repository on the next generation of citizens (Subjects, even?), just waiting to be sucked up by the NSA. Even if you get rid of all the 'omg, last nite at my m8's house' junk, you still have alot of good info about alot of people.

Cheers,
Wolfe... (Ever Googled your screen name before? There's probably alot of info. With the way things are going, we'll probably soon see the gov't considering the gathering of that information (with or without reason or suspicion) a routine practice.)
 
I don't feel infinged upon by the proposed increase in surveillence. When I do feel infringed upon, I'll kick and scream, I suppose.

By the time you feel infringed upon, there might not be anyone left to hear your screams to make a difference.
 
Chertoff: Reforms needed to fight illegal immigration
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By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
HARLINGEN, Texas — Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff warned Thursday that the Border Patrol will not be able to sustain the progress it has made apprehending illegal migrants unless Congress passes broad immigration reforms.
He said the agency needs to focus on "the drug dealers, the criminals, even the terrorists" trying to sneak across the southern border. It can only do that, he said, if the majority of migrants crossing to find work are allowed to do so through a "guest worker" program.

The long-overwhelmed Border Patrol agency, which is adding 6,000 agents to its 10,500-agent force and is being aided by the National Guard while it hires and trains the new recruits, will never be able to secure the border if it has to try to catch and return the hundreds of thousands of migrants who cross each year, Chertoff said.

"To try to do it all through brute force would be a very expensive and difficult proposition," he said.

Appearing with Chertoff by the banks of the Rio Grande, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said that although the Border Patrol has made progress — including a 20,000 decrease in illegal immigrants crossing the southwestern border — it can't continue to do so without a "comprehensive solution."

Congress isn't likely to act on immigration reforms this fall, despite a push from the Bush administration. Last December, the House passed a bill that would tighten security but not include the new opportunities for migrants. In May, the Senate passed a bill that included a guest-worker program. But with fall elections looming, Chertoff conceded that it's unlikely lawmakers will compromise on the issue.

badbob
 
Bob, I also dislike the Patriot act, mostly for it's lack of explicit oversight. It needs to change, though it would be silly to characterize it as a problem specific to this administration given it's overwhelming and bipartisan congressional support.
 
Mad, From what I understand, nobody in Congress was given a copy of the Patriot Act (all 500+ pages) except Commitee Chairmen. They were given a copy 45 min. before the vote.
Any dissent was pretty much destroyed by the anthrax letters sent to only Dem. legislators shortly before the vote. Not reading proposed legislation, and voting on it anyway, is common.
http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml

badbob
 
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