Cheney to run for prez.

I sincerely hope (and halfway believe) that this is a distraction technique to take the focus off Condi. She's got a difficult (almost impossible) minefield to negotiate over the next 3.5 years, and doesn't need folks joggling her elbow.

RWK's reasons are exactly why I do NOT want Dick Cheney as a candidate against Hillary in 2008. Talk about polarized perceptions-- he'll actually cast Hillary as a moderate.
 
True, but I would also like to add that the same holds true for Blacks (on both sides) who most look at her as an "uncle tom".
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I don't know, I think there are a bunch of African Americans who would vote for her just because she's African American just as there are plenty of European Americans who would refuse to vote for her only because she's African American. I won't guess what the ratio/per capita would be.....I just don't think it will happen this time.
 
True, but I would also like to add that the same holds true for Blacks (on both sides) who most look at her as an "uncle tom".
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It is not the "uncle Tom" thought as it is for the thought that she does not represent blacks interests except for black republicans and religious conservative blacks who she will likely pander to. Only the bigoted African Americans would say that she is an Uncle Tom (like the Farraklaners) and the rest would treat her like any other candidate who will not move towards liberal social programs and simillar. However, Colin Powell would get support of practically the entire African American community IMO, and I would most likely vote for him too even though I am a white democrat since he appears to be a moderate.
I sincerely hope (and halfway believe) that this is a distraction technique to take the focus off Condi.
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I get the impression that the main reason she has been kissing Bush's @ss for the last 10 years (or however long she has been his lackey) is because she knew that there would be political rewards from him and his supporters (it is also possible that she believed some of the lies she told for him). I believe that she knew what was next when she knew Powell was being let go. She must know that she is being groomed for either the VP or presidential republican candidate.

(side note: I am going to a historic black university and I have never received a definite response as to how to refer to African Americans as either black or A. American. So please do not think that I wasn't trying to be P.C. when using both.)
 
Okay, time to do a little background on Dr. C. Rice.

After receiving her bachelor's at 19 and her PhD in political science at 26, C Rice taught Political Science at Stanford since 1981, winning some prestegious teaching awards. Sometime during the mid-to-late '80s, she became an advisor to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Folks, this is not a political position-- it's about whether you have the knowledge, period. Rice had the goods, and moved up fast. As she was an East Germany and Soviet Union expert, she was key in advising the elder Bush administration during German reunification and the fall of the Soviet Union during 1989 through 1991, serving as Director and then as Senior Director of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council. Then she served as Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. After that, she served as Provost At Stanford for 6 years, and served on some federal committees.

Okay, this is key: Rice is a smart person who knows how to give a good lecture that imparts what she means to say. That's why she's a good professor. Now think-- what's the biggest perception problem that this administration has? Our current President is not particularly well-spoken, and is perceived as "dumb." No one could EVER mistake Dr. Rice for a dumb person.

Now, as to the brown-nosing comment, I would have to point out that there's a difference between showing loyalty and "kissing... a$s." While winning her spurs as an international authority in foreign affairs, Rice spent a lot of time among military types, and likely learned a lot about loyalty. It does NO ONE any good to criticize your commander or boss when you're on the job. Colin Powell knew it, and C. Rice is likewise a good soldier, so to speak.

Gimme a well-spoken academic brainiac like Rice over a miscast, ill-thought-of industry captain with a heart condition and a reputation as a pit bull, any day of the week-- especially when she's given a reasoned view that the 2nd Amendment is as important as the First. Folks-- she's our candidate. Now let's all stop talking about it for a couple of years and let Cheney absorb the slings and arrows that the Democrats will cast... :)
 
I was wrong, the radio host and many of the Black leadership called her Aunt Jemima", they called Colin Powell "Uncle Tom". But you get my drift.

As for not many Whites would vote for her, I think that you are wrong. Unless you can prove to me why you think this (I can prove to you that many Black talk show hosts, leadership like Sharpton and Al, as well as many of the Black Caucus members in office right now have said that she is a traitor among other things).

I've yet to read about Whites writing articles, using media, and talking in front of audiences using these remarks.

I think that she would do well. (Oh, and I'm one of those White people from the South that you're alluding too :) ).

Wayne
 
Im white and proud of it, and I would vote for Rice also

She is the one person that has more balls than any one else in DC, and I would love to see her stomp that other woman that is thinking about running.
 
The problem with the current administration and everyone even remotely connected with it can be summed up in one word, Iraq . Republicans will be distancing themselves in droves from Rice,Cheney and the rest of the gang that can't talk,think or shoot straight as we approach the next elections. The only member of that gang that had any creibility in military matters at all was General Powell and he's long gone.
 
Well Said Long Path!

I think that she would have a great shot at it but then again I've been called Naive (in Real Life, not here, well, to my screen anyway :D ).

The problem with the current administration and everyone even remotely connected with it can be summed up in one word, Iraq . Republicans will be distancing themselves in droves from Rice,Cheney and the rest of the gang that can't talk,think or shoot straight in the near future. The only member of that gang that had any creibility in military maters was General Powell and he's long gone.
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Wow, when Iraq turns out to be a good thing, there's going to be allot of tears in people's beers :D .

Wayne
 
The problem with the current administration and everyone even remotely connected with it can be summed up in one word, Iraq . Republicans will be distancing themselves in droves from Rice,Cheney and the rest of the gang that can't talk,think or shoot straight as we approach the next elections. The only member of that gang that had any creibility in military matters at all was General Powell and he's long gone.
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Yeah, that Iraq mojo was so working for Jacques F'n sKerry. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is that the bench talent in both parties is pretty dismal at the moment. The only reason Cheney is being rumored at all speaks to a lack of seemingly qualified candidates on the Republican side.

Of course, the buzz on the Democratic side is between the retread candidacy of Johnny "What's an SF 180?" Heinz-Kerry and the double retread co-presidency personified by Hiltery and Commander Happypants.

Truly pathetic. It is a good thing for the Republicans that they have a deeper gubenatorial field from which someone not even being mentioned today might emerge.
 
The biggest problem (to me) in American Politics is the ones with the most money are the only ones that can run for the nomination.

There are many great people out there that I think would make great leaders but as Boats pointed out, they seem to drudge up the same old rubbish to see if the people will vote for it.

Then you have the third parties that have some really great people (and ideas) but they don't get equal air time, or sometimes even put on the ballot in some states.

Also, these parties don't have the cash flow and many don't get the matching funds from the government so they can't run air time in all 50 states and gazillion cities and counties.

We want to vote for them but we always end up voting for the lesser of the two evils. Mostly out of fear of losing our Rights even faster.

The Democrats are saying that they need someone that will appeal to the South and the homeland type states. They will never do so if they keep on pressing the gun control issues and the christian issues. Right now they know that if they tried someone like hillary or kerry that it's just lip service and will continue to lose.

So, to bring up their voting bloc they need to have illegals and felons eligible to vote. They are hoping that this voting bloc will null the groups that they really hate (gun owners, christians).

What I'm hoping for is that both parties disqust(sp) the people so much that 51% will vote third party that will restore our Rights.

Wayne
 
As for not many Whites would vote for her, I think that you are wrong. Unless you can prove to me why you think this (I can prove to you that many Black talk show hosts, leadership like Sharpton and Al, as well as many of the Black Caucus members in office right now have said that she is a traitor among other things).

I've yet to read about Whites writing articles, using media, and talking in front of audiences using these remarks.

I think that she would do well. (Oh, and I'm one of those White people from the South that you're alluding too
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I'm sure many whites WOULD vote for her, just not "many enough"! As far as alluding to white Southerners, nothing could be farther from the truth. I was thinking about the white Republicans I know in Wayne County, MI......But you have to understand that the area I'm from is THE most racially polarized area in the nation. That's what they say in a bunch of newspaper and magazine articles I've ready, anyway.
 
Now, as to the brown-nosing comment, I would have to point out that there's a difference between showing loyalty and "kissing... a$s."
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First of all I meant that as a personal observation and it was somewhat derogatory I admit (being a Bush hater it may have been derogatory to him, his cohorts and maybe his supporters). Secondly, I think, hell I know, she is smart as hell and talented, but this makes me even more leary of her because she repeated the administration's lines almost verbatum without a rational view while she was doing it. Whethr or not I was imagining it or it was a real observation, she always had a nervous tenor in her voice when she was defending an obvious mistake by the administration and I would love to see a voice pattern lie detector applied to her press hearings and interviews. Of course, she was rewarded in the end for being one of the ones that could have been the fall guy for the administration.

There is a difference between being a good solider and being a lackey. Colin Powell kept his integrity and he wasn't asked back because he did. If Colin Powell was a black female general of the Gulf War and was a black female Secretary of State then I still believe both black and white would vote for him accross party lines (exept the few bigots of different race groups left in this country).
 
Frank,

But you have to understand that the area I'm from is THE most racially polarized area in the nation.
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:D, they say the same thing about Eugene Oregon. Nothing but racist bastards (or from the register guard, our newspaper, would make you think).

I will say this, after what Condi said about gun rights (and being as lovely looking as she is), and the known history of hillary, and they allow hillary to win, then in a way, they deserve what they get.

Just take over Mexico or Canada and begain anew. Seems like a plan if these people are so racist that they do such a thing.

Wayne
 
But you have to understand that the area I'm from is THE most racially polarized area in the nation. That's what they say in a bunch of newspaper and magazine articles I've ready
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Supposedly the most segregated are of the country, from everything I've heard. Detroit, Flint, Gary, Indiana. All the bigger cities in that area.
 
I don't see Dick C. running for anything other than home next time around. I think his health - mainly his ticker isn't what it needs to be for that job. I once thought and was sure I was Republican. Then for a spell I thought some of Dem ideas might be right. Now, I am a certain of one thing........ I hate the political machine and the ugly teeth it shows. In all fairness each party has some major issues. I don't care how Rep or Dem you are. If your honest you will agree with me that far. It would be nice to see a brand spanking new party called the middle of the road gang..... Not total left and not total right. A party that is made up of normal hardcore, hardworking, real people... I would vote for that :D ........a fair ballance would be a fresh drink of water now wouldn't it?

*That much said, I like Condi more than Hillary....... :D
 
I don't see Dick C. running for anything other than home next time around. I think his health - mainly his ticker isn't what it needs to be for that job. I once thought and was sure I was Republican. Then for a spell I thought some of Dem ideas might be right. Now, I am a certain of one thing........ I hate the political machine and the ugly teeth it shows. In all fairness each party has some major issues. I don't care how Rep or Dem you are. If your honest you will agree with me that far. It would be nice to see a brand spanking new party called the middle of the road gang..... Not total left and not total right. A party that is made up of normal hardcore, hardworking, real people... I would vote for that ........a fair ballance would be a fresh drink of water now wouldn't it?
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Hear hear Roejoe67. I agree (but I did it the other way and went from dem. to rep. for a while, then back again). Middle of the road gang has my vote.
 
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Then you have the third parties that have some really great people (and ideas) but they don't get equal air time, or sometimes even put on the ballot in some states.
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Airtime in general, and particularly the televised debates; if you are not allowed in that ring - you don't have a chance.
 
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