Cheese-grater pistols

9x18_Walther said:
The biggest argument I've seen against weapon-mounted flashlights is that you may point the gun in the direction of your family or other innocent people
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That's why I prefer using a handheld flashlight. But in case I don't have my handheld flashlight for whatever reason, I at least have a backup flashlight on my gun. And I've never once seen anyone argue that a flashlight mounted on a gun is worse than not having any light at all.
 
This should really get you guys going.
I wanted to continue to use my 1911 as my " House gun"
But I did not like having one hand on the gun and the other on the light.
I like to have both hands on.
This works great. I get a rail and get my gun.

This is the only one I have need of a rail. Not needed for range work.

Oh btw. This is a heck of a light, very bright. It does have a laser but thats not why I got it.
Although it does center up in the light beam real nice.

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I want to clarify, it's not that rails "disgust" me, it's just that I think someone can come up with a better way for attaching a light or laser without clunky cheese-graterish type rails. I, personally, like more of a smooth, sculpted, curved feel to to the frame.

My thought is that, without making the frame bulky, blocky or "cheezy", a single dovetail milled into the underside of the bottom of a more rounded (traditional style) frame could be used to mount a light or laser (if you want) and secured with some flush screws. Then, when nothing is mounted, a piece of metal (or plastic) can be inserted to make it smooth and give it nearly the same contour as a more traditional pistol.
 
I want to clarify, it's not that rails "disgust" me, it's just that I think someone can come up with a better way for attaching a light or laser without clunky cheese-graterish type rails.
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The Ramlight actually got good reviews for being attached via high powered magnets by the CZ crowd.

http://ramlite.com/
 
My thoughts on lasers? They are not a bad idea. Combine bad vision with cross-dominance and lasers start to seem attractive to me. In my opinion, you should be point shooting and using the iron sights before considering the laser however.
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With a CT laser the rest of the folks at the range get to see how bad all the newbie wobbles are! Seriously, my friend the NRA instructor made the guy with the fancy CT gripped Kimber turn the blasted laser off & concentrate on the front sight! The only way to learn to to be taught the right way to do it on the first place!

As far as cheese-grater acc rails go, my HK P30 has the dreaded picatinny acc rail, however HK still makes the older-design USP with the much more acceptable universal acc rail. If that picatinny rail was that much better, shouldn't HK have updated all the USP guns by now?
 
If that picatinny rail was that much better, shouldn't HK have updated all the USP guns by now?
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The USP is a classic HK icon. The rail isn't changing. Same thing with the Mark 23. They're made for HK collectors or USP purists at this point.

It looks bad-a** with the HK tactical light. :D

Someone who wants a HK without being brainwashed by the cult of HK :D yet will buy a P30 or HK45. If they don't like the grip, a P2000.
 
I guess I can understand some of you semi-auto guys griping about rails, it's kind of a new thing to get used to on a bottom feeder. But us revolver guys understand that the wheelgun, since it's very conception, was designed for simple multi-accessory attachment points. We just sit back and reap the benefits of such a modern platform as is the wheel-gun.

I mean, if you can't get behind this....

or this Russian "assault-revolver" shooting an improvised sniper rifle round...I mean what do you guys plan to actually use for a tactical assault revolver if you have something against rails....

well at least the purist's out there still have smith&wesson to fall back on
 
Someone who wants a HK without being brainwashed by the cult of HK yet will buy a P30 or HK45. If they don't like the grip, a P2000.
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I own a P30 and an HK45 they both have their good & bad points but I think the good points far outweigh the bad. The P30 has that great modular grip, but it's a V3 SA/DA and the DA pull is heavy (but smooth), it's about 12 lbs. but I've had this gun almost a year and I've been shooting that DA trigger quite a bit and I can control it better now if I prep the trigger. I don't shoot DA quite as well as I shoot it in SA mode, but a lot of training with a heavier trigger has its benefits, my other guns all have great triggers by comparison, and I think I shoot most of my other guns a lot better since I been shooting this P30.

I'm just amazed at how ignorant the LGS guys are about HK trigger variants. I usually see the P30's with the V3 triggers, and everybody hates the heavy DA trigger pull. If they ordered these guns with the Light LEM (V1) or even the regular LEM (V2), they would probably sell a lot more of these guns, even though these are a relatively expensive firearm. That Light LEM has "IMHO" the nicest trigger pull on a carry gun that I know of. I think a P30SKS with a V1 Light LEM trigger will follow me home very soon!
 
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JDBerg said:
I'm just amazed at how ignorant the LGS guys are about HK trigger variants. I usually see the P30's with the V3 triggers, and everybody hates the heavy DA trigger pull. If they ordered these guns with the Light LEM (V1) or even the regular LEM (V2), they would probably sell a lot more of these guns, even though these are a relatively expensive firearm. That Light LEM has "IMHO" the nicest trigger pull on a carry gun that I know of.
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I can't speak for any other shops, but at the shop where I work, HKs with the LEM trigger simply don't sell. We've tried carrying them, but everyone wants the DA/SA versions.

Once I ordered an HK45 for a customer, and we accidentally got an LEM variant. I tried to show the customer the benefits of the LEM trigger, but he wasn't interested, so we sent it back for a regular DA/SA model.
 
Which is a shame because changing to the HK 10LB hammer spring, which takes 3 minutes, and 500 rounds fired and DA becomes a whole lot better. The DA on my P30LS is nice and the SA is really sweet.
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So you don't get light hammer strikes with the 10lb hammer spring? This passes the TulaAmmo hard primer strike test?
 
I don't run any steel cased ammo through my HKs or any of my pistols. Only brass cased ammo.

I have not had a single problem with CCI Blazer, Winchester Ranger, Federal Amercan Eagle, Speer Lawman, Sellier & Bellot, or PMC. My SD ammo is Federal HST 147 GR +P.

It wold be real easy for you to try it out as hammer spring change is really easy.

Even before the hammer spring change the DA was much better than new after only about 300 rounds fired.

The only pistols I have ever tried out that the LGS new that have a decent out of the box DA are SIGs and the DA on the new SIG Legion series is supposed to be incredible. CZs make the DA on a new HK seem like a dream compared to them LOL.
 
So you don't get light hammer strikes with the 10lb hammer spring? This passes the TulaAmmo hard primer strike test?
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A ton of people change the hammer spring in the USP to the 10lb version.

Virtually nobody has reported light strikes.
 
I'm going to try this 10lb hammer spring. Thanks for the advice!
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Cheapest DA upgrade possible for the USP.

I stick with the 12lb if the gun is ready for defensive purposes, but 10lb should work fine. 14lb is a bit much as stock.
 
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