Charles Rangel thinks he owns you

Good Lord, have we been dumbed down this far by simple need to point our fingers and say, "See there! I TOLD you HE was the Antichrist".

Rangel has proposed this legislation before. His point is not to get it passed, but to point out that only "poor" people die in Wars. He's hardly correct; nor is anyone who claims this to be the first step in Democrat plan to enslave the US citizenry.

Some people really need to get out more.
Rich
 
We have had an ALL VOLUNTEER Army for many years. Why would anyone join not contemplating you might be in combat?Especially now? If you join for the "benifits" well, you joined for the benifits..I also consider we have been over there for 4 years now, and we have had fewer deaths than in SOME DAYS during WWII. We have more killed on our highways every month. With Rangel, it is about exposure, he NEEDS to be SEEN. He loves the coverage he gets and somehow thinks it elevates him in the public eye..I really have my doubts he is elevated other than from going from Moron status to just plain Stupid status.
 
He's a moron and has just been down graded to booger eatin' moron. He's nothing more than a big mouth who likes to here himself speak.
I would chip in to buy him a ball gag:D That should count for public service:rolleyes:
 
You know where of you speak!
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About 35 guys in my unit contracted Leptospirosis while going through JOTC in '81. I spent 6 days in that hellhole in the clutches of a nurse that couldn't hit a vein with a needle if they had put a scope on it. The food was like something dredged from a dumpster, which makes sense when you're on the opposite end of the hospital from the kitchen (1 story, 300 beds, figure it out), and the doctor, when he decided to make an appearance, smelled like a distillery. No thanks. When my sons are old enough to understand, I will encourage them to find other avenues for their lives, Rangel be damned.
 
Charlie Rangel is RIGHT!! Military Service would be a good thing for some of you young men! Builds character.
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I agree...before I joined the ARMY I drifted one from menial job to another, I was immature, I had no read direction in life, and I spent most my time hanging out with other losers who didn't even have jobs. Of course I was only 17 at the time. :)
 
Charlie Rangel is RIGHT!!
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IMO he's wrong because his motives are wrong. His motive isn't to do whats best for the services or his country. His motive is to bring light to his personal agenda.

Military Service would be a good thing for some of you young men! Builds character.
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Can't argue with that, but a volunteer service has been working for 30 years and of the conscripted services I've trained the last 8-10 years in other countries not one of them was worth a tinkers damn. No motivation, no self determination, they just plain didn't give a hoot about anything but getting out of their duty ASAP.
 
Noting up front, in 1943, among the dozen or so guys I ran with, only one was drafted and the rest of us enlisted when we turned 17.

I have to observe the situation was different then - we were threatened by foreign naations that were unusually cruel and dominating. We were motivated to protect our families, ourselves, and, incidentally, our country and civilizaation also.

Between WWII and the Korean War, I served something over 8 years - about half on active duty and the remainder in organized reserve service. I would lose credibility if I stated I enjoyed every minute of it and I had my share of less than pleasant experiences. However, over all, I greatly benefitted from my military experience - even the bad ones - it helped me to learn how best to deal with life's difficulties.;)

I have a cousin recently deceased, who spent 20 years in the Navy and was stationed at Pearl Harbor 12/7/41 but his ship was out on maneuvers that day so he escaped the sneak attack. Going through his effects (he never threw anything away) , I came across his "HELPFUL HINTS TO THE NAVY RECRUIT" printed in 1939. It's priceless and I wish I could publish it all here but it's 21 pages long.

Among some of the "hints" is "Do I have to go to church?" Answer "Yes".

The paragraph on PAY DAY - in it's entirity reads, "You will be paid twice mointhly, on the 5th and 20th of the month. Your pay is sufficient to supply your needs" (E-1 pay then was $21.00 per month).

Under the "timely Advice - Do and Do Not - in the Do Not column is the sage advice, "Be intimate with strange women" and "Be friendly with strangers who promise you a good time."

All good advice!!:D
 
Just think, for 30 years now we have had an all volunteer force. They have never had the experience of being processed through a selective service entrance examination station. Never had to pull KP, Guard Duty or any of the other fun things. They do not even have to shine their boots!

My very first task as a PVT E nothing, just after they gave me a field jacket and baseball cap but still in civilian clothes, was to be stood in front of a sink full of dirty pots (HUGE pots!) in the post consolidated mess. Yep it builds character:rolleyes:

Second job was police call, picking up butts with our hands in front of the BN Headquarters.

All the while some guy who looked like George Foreman in his prime wearing a funny had was yelling "Your (Butt) is grass and I'm the lawnmower"

Everyone should have that experience!
 
They have never had the experience of being processed through a selective service entrance examination station. Never had to pull KP, Guard Duty or any of the other fun things. They do not even have to shine their boots!
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Huh??? What branch of service are these volunteers joining? I seem to recall doing all of those things in abundance. :confused:
 
Huh??? What branch of service are these volunteers joining? I seem to recall doing all of those things in abundance.
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No joke. They only recently did away with the black boots (and they're still authorized with BDUs, and I still wear them over the suede). I've pulled KP, guard duty, and police call...both in garrison and in a combat zone. Though I guess they waited until about day two or three of reception (waiting to enter a basic training company), after I had been issued uniforms, to start that crap.

Seriously, don't believe the rumors...basic training is, minus perhaps the corporal punishment and excessive swearing, still basic training. Heck, in combat-arms basic training (infantry, armor, cavalry, etc.) you still get plenty of the latter...and a bit of the former if you're a real screw-up.

And no, privates don't get "stress cards" either.
 
I could agree with this IF there was no age limit and congress lead by example.

By this I mean that the FIRST people to serve 2 years would be current senators, congressmen and legislative branch and they do not have a say how they serve (i say 2 years in Afganistan as privates in the Army) of course it would never happen.
 
One other thing in the "HELPFUL HINTS FOR NAVY RECRUITS" pamphlet was the question, "Will I have to pull mess duty?" (that's Navy talk for KP) The answer was a simple one word - "YES". I know times have changed but, for me, one of the most unforgettable experiences was being rolled out at 0300 and working KP until about 2200 that night - but, somehow, we survived.;) Peeled a lot of potatoes and scrubed a lot of large pots.

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I personally think it would be good for the citizens to have to contribute to the common good. there is little of that attitude among the young right now. Maybe there might be options other than military service for those who feel morally opposed.

But the draft would also be good for the long-term health of the military, in that the soldiers and sailors would represent a better cross-section of America. In 20 years, they would be the leaders of the military.

It works for Israel and I think America could use a little less of 'it's all about me me me'. It would only be for two years - it is not like being a conscript in the Russian Army in 1810 where it was a death sentence.
 
denfoote...

Republicans warned you this was coming, America.
You didn't listen.
You deserve the government you elect!!
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And are the Republicans any better? Not really, considering the bad policies they have passed. Let's not forget that both parts are actually one party working together to keep America down. If we really want true freedom we have to elect people who NOT Republican or Democrat. Pick officials that are actually willing to help the people, not officials that are funded by corporate lobbyists and religious institutions.

As for this draft propsal, I haven't reached a decision yet on what I think entirely, the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about a standing military, WE ARE THE MILITIA!!! (And for those who think the National Guard is the militia.:barf: :barf: :barf: )


Epyon
 
But the draft would also be good for the long-term health of the military, in that the soldiers and sailors would represent a better cross-section of America. In 20 years, they would be the leaders of the military.
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Agreed, I seen natural leaders come from draftees, some stayed 20+ years,
America needs the draft and I suspect many of our military leader know this but need to be PC at all times.
 
I hate to burst the bubble here but in 2004 this legislation was introduced in the House and was voted down 402-2. That means that Rangel and 1 other person voted for the draft. That means an awful lot of Democrats had to vote against the draft legislation also.
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Not quite right. Rangel did not vote for his proposed draft legislation. Shows how much he really believed in it back then. Wonder if he was up for election?
 
AMENDMENT XIII
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation
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It just the Constitution, a piece of stupid paper. Lets scrap it. Who cares anyway...:barf:
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US Constitution

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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Could it be that we have a standing Army used for offensive purposes that is the problem? Oh well it is only the Constitution. The Founders were not that smart anyway.:barf:
 
republicans not much better...

Hey, Epyon, all due repect, but on paper the republicans have a fairly good track record of voting and/or supporting the correct side of issues. 2nd Amendment, Bill of Rights, pro-life, smaller federal gov't involvement, taking the offensive on the war on terror, etc.
I honestly don't mean to insult everybody's intelligence, but it appeared that you painted a broad stroke about the republican party. I have disagreed on a lot of issues the past few years(spending,etc.) but they still stand by the core values and what this country was founded. Granted, there may be some independents out there worth considering, but the majority of my beliefs happen to be supported by the Republican party. I may have taken your opinoin farther than what your point really was, but I just get sick and tired of people saying that. By all means, let me know if I'm off base.
 
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