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Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse
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gunslinger555
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So yeah um if the US doesn't give him up, what army are they going to use to enforce this?
Playboypenguin
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Greg,Do you have any proof of this
Just read the reports from the fighting commanders. They routinely have been saying this whole time that we are in the wrong place fighting the wrong war. Collin Powell warned againts turning the civilians of iraq into freedom fighters that would be easy prey for terrorist organization to recruit if we invaded.
When we do inventory of captured hostiles they are now more often former shop keepers, business men, and people that previously had no history of voiolence or terrorist affiliations.
Polls of Iraqi people are showing that the vast majority would now aid people that fought american troops because they see the Americans as invaders and a great number of them would kill Americans themselves if they had the chance. This was not true pre-invasion.
Heist,
Yes it is. But if I was British I would lament the fact that we did not.
Playboypenguin,
Really, show me the "fighting commanders" report that says that we are the "lap dogs" of the Saudi government and big business. Perhaps you are referring to Al Quaida field commanders?
It's a good thing the British never had such enlightened ideas when they fought our militiamen.
Yes it is. But if I was British I would lament the fact that we did not.
Playboypenguin,
Just read the reports from the fighting commanders.
Really, show me the "fighting commanders" report that says that we are the "lap dogs" of the Saudi government and big business. Perhaps you are referring to Al Quaida field commanders?
This incursion was for one reason: get in, get rid of a dictator that was supporting terror, and get out.
We ARE invaders. It is NOT our country. We are NOT going to solve 3000 years of fighting, between religious factions. We can distabilize, and get rid of a bad government, but, we are NOT going to solve this area's problems.
The getting out should have happened as soon as we got their leaders out of the way. Let the people fight for their freedom. They earn it, then they value it.
We can support them, but, we can't fight their war.
The only real solution for us is genocide, and, we don't want to go there.
The other problem is, if we are going to fight a war, we need to declare it, and, we didn't. That would get rid of all this arm chair quarterbacking. Congress, for far too long, has given the Presidency the power to enter armed engagements, small wars, with their consent. As soon as something goes wrong, they back bite, and undermine the president, and attack the military. Happened in Korea, Vietnam, and now IRAQ.
Congress has the power to declare war, and, we should not enter into this kind of stuff without their approval backing, and support.
This war differs from Korea and Vietnam. Iraq doesn't have
China on a border, willing to go to war to protect their border, with a billion troops. We could have declared war,
fought it as a war, and the surrender would have been complete, and total. Drop our bombs, do the war right, level the place. Instead, we have a bunch of politicians, and the news media, filling everyone's heads with garbage about this war.
I just wished we would have done that, because I have NO problem with going in, taking over the country, kicking out the corrupt government, taking the oil supplies to pay for the cost of the battle, and the United States profiting from it. I don't see anyone who supports terror paying us for the Twin Towers, and the 5000 dead people from 9/11.
S
We ARE invaders. It is NOT our country. We are NOT going to solve 3000 years of fighting, between religious factions. We can distabilize, and get rid of a bad government, but, we are NOT going to solve this area's problems.
The getting out should have happened as soon as we got their leaders out of the way. Let the people fight for their freedom. They earn it, then they value it.
We can support them, but, we can't fight their war.
The only real solution for us is genocide, and, we don't want to go there.
The other problem is, if we are going to fight a war, we need to declare it, and, we didn't. That would get rid of all this arm chair quarterbacking. Congress, for far too long, has given the Presidency the power to enter armed engagements, small wars, with their consent. As soon as something goes wrong, they back bite, and undermine the president, and attack the military. Happened in Korea, Vietnam, and now IRAQ.
Congress has the power to declare war, and, we should not enter into this kind of stuff without their approval backing, and support.
This war differs from Korea and Vietnam. Iraq doesn't have
China on a border, willing to go to war to protect their border, with a billion troops. We could have declared war,
fought it as a war, and the surrender would have been complete, and total. Drop our bombs, do the war right, level the place. Instead, we have a bunch of politicians, and the news media, filling everyone's heads with garbage about this war.
I just wished we would have done that, because I have NO problem with going in, taking over the country, kicking out the corrupt government, taking the oil supplies to pay for the cost of the battle, and the United States profiting from it. I don't see anyone who supports terror paying us for the Twin Towers, and the 5000 dead people from 9/11.
S
Perhaps (I repeat perhaps, this is pure speculation, or 'food for thought'. I don't want anyone to get in my face for 'proof' of my statement. I want to disclaim any presumption of fact)Polls of Iraqi people are showing that the vast majority would now aid people that fought american troops because they see the Americans as invaders and a great number of them would kill Americans themselves if they had the chance. This was not true pre-invasion.
But suppose these anecdotal 'polls' get answered in this manner because the populace have murderous bullys and gangs threatening to cut their heads off if they answer anything other than 'kill Americans.' And pre-invasion there were no Americans there to kill so the question in that sense is irrelevent. May be the 'polls' are not accurate at all?
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