Chances of Armed Revolt in the US????

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By Christopher Laurenzano
October 6, 2000


An Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh


October 1, 2000

Dear Rush:

I’m writing to you in response to a caller who phoned in, I think, on Monday, September 12. I was travelling that day and heard your program on my car radio.

The caller, whose name I have forgotten, voiced his concern that, as he saw it, in ten years or so there would be an armed insurrection against the government, given the current situation in American politics, particularly at the federal level. The threats to freedom and liberty which would cause this revolt -- political correctness, ever increasing taxes, expanding government programs and the necessary oppressiveness which it engenders, etc. are well known to you and your listeners and I don’t think need to be reiterated here in detail.

While the caller may not have had very specific answers to some of your questions and concerns -- where this event might occur, how many people would be involved, etc. -- he did not sound at all “crazy” or “ranting” in any way. He stated his belief in a tone that I think was calm and rational sounding and he did not ramble or piece together disjointed ideas to make his point.

Let me be up front and say that I am a political conservative like you and the caller, and that I also agreed with him and have held the same opinion for some time. But your response to him, I felt, was dismissive, and unfortunately, somewhat typical towards those who express an opinion which many would consider outside of the mainstream. And I think your reaction also displayed a naivete and shortsightedness about the history of this nation.

I recall your saying, after he hung up, that “this is why I don’t take more calls,” and “I can’t believe there’s this kind of talk in the United States of America”; I’m not sure if those were your exact words, so I may be paraphrasing. You also asserted that the ballot box was the way to solve the problems facing this nation, and there weren’t enough concerned people in the country to effect your caller’s prediction.

At any rate, while you never explicitly called him a “kook” or any other pejorative term, it was clear from the tone of your voice that you thought he was at least a little paranoid or off the wall.

To begin with, let me be a little more specific than your caller. I’m going to guess this event will occur anywhere between ten or twenty years from now -- definitely within my lifetime at the most (I’ll be thirty-two years old at the end of December). And I’ll guess it will begin out West -- Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, if for no other reason than the citizens out there, because of their locale and the kind of life they lead, are still very independent-minded and don’t like environmentalists like Bruce Babbitt and federal land management officials running roughshod over their rights and property. The Northeast and the Old South are gone. However, as these are just general guesses they are open to revision.

Make no mistake though, Rush: if things do not change -- and notice I leave the possibility that it can get better, but if things keep going the way they are right now, there will, not may, but will -- be another rebellion. And I use the word “another” on purpose.

How do you think the United States got its start, Rush? It wasn’t called the American Revolution for nothing. What do you think the colonies did from 1775 to 1781-- talk the British into surrendering? Are you that naïve or willfully ignorant? Like it or not, we shot at them and they shot at us -- that is a fact; you can’t change it and you can’t deny it. If it happened once, it can happen again. You may not like it or want it, I may not like it or want it, but what we like or want are not always under our control. The force of events often has a life of its own. Your appeal to the ballot box is well and good and the way it should be done, but it only works when the political climate is sound or stable enough to solve power struggles without having to resort to the gun. It assumes that elected officials have a basic respect for moral and just laws -- including the Constitution, not to mention a respect for the people who put them into office. I think you caller was saying, as am I, that the very real possibility that respect is withering away must be considered -- and that the ballot box may not work much longer.

You can call me crazy if you want to, Rush. You can express incredulity and shock at my words, but to do so only betrays, I think, self-deception.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence tried to solve their disputes with the British crown through peaceful, political means -- only to be met with “repeated injury.” They realized that if they wanted what was theirs by right, confrontation was necessary. Are you willing to deride the founders as you derided your caller? Do you think that the concerns of your caller and those who agree with him are “light and transient causes?” Because the founders of this nation -- Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton et. al. -- people you and I call conservatives, the men whose achievements and characters your father extolled in his Fourth of July speech, as well as the ordinary citizens who followed them, citizens just like your caller -- did what your caller, myself and many others throughout the country are right now only speculating about. And if I remember correctly, the “men who risked everything” did it with about three percent of the population, at least a number nowhere near a majority.

It is at least somewhat naïve to assume that the United States is protected by some invisible force that makes it impervious to tyranny and subversion from within. I would expect people on the left to respond to my statements with incredulity. But I will say this to you and anyone else on the right who express concern about the detrimental effects of liberalism on government and cultural institutions: I have to wonder, based on the response to this caller and other responses like it in the past, if you are willing to take those effects to their logical possibilities or conclusions. I think these conclusions must be seriously considered, Rush. And in doing so, we just might be able to avoid it -- for the benefit of us all.

Sincerely,

Christopher Laurenzano



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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
When one considers that over two thirds of the work force collects wages from the government, who's left to revolt? Orwells novel 1984 seems to have come true when the peoples opinions are daily swayed by the TV..Good Luck, henry
 
In case nobody noticed, or had for some reason forgotten history, we have had "rebellions" before. What is to say that we will not have similar actions again?

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the rightness or wrongness of such activities, nor do I particularly desire to see such as this. I simply call things as I see them.

I believe that present problems are "fixable", however the judiciary has to stand up and do it's job, ditto for The Congress, re it's oath of office, and the people have absolutely got to wake up too.

I cannot predict that any of the foregoing will take place, however if they don't, then I do believe that the potential for serious violence is not only there, but that it growns constantly, actually "fertilized" and "incubated" by the lame brained antics of government and congress.

Were any particular administration attempt to head off such activity, via "gun sweeps" or similar trampling of civil rights, I believe that the only thing accomplished would be a hastening of violence, that might otherwise be avoidable.
 
Think of all the people who died when the communists were ousted from power in the Soviet Union. Remember the bloodbath that preceeded on the fall of the Berlin Wall? Who can forget the economic backlash that the people of Poland felt when their country joined NATO?

What? You don't remember these things?

Hmmm... Well, I guess that governments can be overthrown (relatively) bloodlessly.

All that is required is for people to wake up and do something. Even something peaceful.
 
And then there's 1790s France, bluesman, sad to say.

Wouldn't it just be nifty as all get out if the general populace would actually read a little history, understand what it is we are giving up and just vote their conscience?
That's really all it would take. 'Course, I have not much hope re the GDP's "conscience." Kinda why we're "here" in the first place.

But of the four boxes (soap, jury, ballot, cartridge) I suspect that the ballot is least likely to make any difference at all, and the jury box (nullification) is all but illegal.

The soapbox is for those of us "who care" (on both sides of the issues) which further polarizes although being (somewhat) of an educational tool.

I hope that "we" come to "our" senses sooner than later or it'll be fun, fun, fun till her daddy takes her T-bird away ....
 
This election could speed things up.If Gore gets in it could be withing a year or less.All this hinges on Klinton leaveing office without problems.
I hate to even think about it.I am getting too old for this crap BUT my trigger finger still works quite well and will be used if it comes to that.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
I said it in my other post; we Americans are too lazy, we got it too good at home and we want to survive to nurture our wives and kids. Only a few will answer the call and
be divided and leaderless. They will end up like Waco.

In the 1770's , because of the slow methods
of travel at the time, horse back, sail boat and feet..... and the slow methods of communication, snail mail,newspapers ,hand delivered and word of mouth.... this gave
the Colonists time to get organized.

But these days , with quick response delta teams and swat teams, helicopters and jet war planes, if the US troops decided to fire on you, you are french fried swiss cheese
real quick like' before you have any real chance to get organized or reinforced.

It would have to be a gurillia action, hide,
strike and disappear real quick like....
reminds me of the Red Dawn scenario.

unelse you had hundereds in each city, all you could do is really get em mad at you some.

I dont see a lot of cause for optimism here.
It would be one hell of a grull with a poor chance of sucess.

I know my limitations, I think I'll stay home
and watch the lies on tv about you.
I doubt there will be any action in Conn.
anyhow, liberal central here with wall to wall sheeple.

Anyways, at 52 I am no longer a member of the national militia. 18 to 45 ,if Im not
mistaken.
 
I don't see widespread revolution happening. The people are very happy with their stocks, pay, etc. I spoke to a friend tonight that I had not talk to in awhile. He is a college educated person, intelligent (usually), stays abreast of current events, etc. During our conversation he stated that he felt Gore was going to win and he thought it was great for the country, I was stunned. He said he didn't trust Bush and it would be crazy to change administrations in this great period of economic growth. I was speechless. He is coming to visit this weekend and I promised him we would discuss this further. My point to all this is I think the average person is happy as long as they have T.V and a good stock market.
 
Figure out a way to shoot down aircraft and they'll leave you alone. The US doesn't like the idea of getting it's hands dirty any more than we do. If they can't mercilessly bomb you from the air with impunity they will probably give up.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
Not going to be a revolution based on conservative and gun values.

If you can't even win an election, who's going to revolt and get support.

The country will turn with a vengenace on
Timothy McVeigh wannabees.

This is the exact kind of fantasy that makes gun owners look nuts.
 
One percent rule. It's the one percent of "bad" bikers that make all bikers look bad. (hey, used to wear one of those patches, on a rather disreputable looking vest - I used to have a mispent yout, okay?)

There's 4,000,000 NRA members. If 1% do the cold dead hands thang, that's 40,000.

There are fewer than 500 IRA terrorists. I suspect that we make the politicians in Washington very nervous.
 
What's the chance of revolt? Read the first four or five paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence. That should clarify things a bit.

Then read the list of grievences contained therein. See how many apply today.

Some may say, "Heck, both Ruby Ridge and Waco and nothing has happened." They could have said the same thing after the Boston Masacre of 1770. It takes time for these things to simmer. And even then most will be gawkers, not participants.

We're about halfway there, I s'pose.

Rick
 
The continental congress also tried on at least 3 occasions to make concessions with King George, and he refused so war occured. Even the founding fathers didn't want war. They tried like hell to avert it. Hopefully we'll be more successful than they were, because war sucks. I just think that people in one state shouldn't have to live like people in other states, why is that asking so much? Less Federal government is not asking too much.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
Dear Friends,

I was discussing this subject with a friend just today. I told him that although I don't want another civil war, if it MUST come, I hope it comes sooner rather than later. Why would anyone want to pass this kind of situation to his children or grandchildren? If it must be done, let's do it.

Or just check out who "Cpt. John Park" was to see where I stand on this issue.

JP

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Nehemiah 4:18 " ... and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked."
 
Cpt. John Park(er)

Brian, is that you?

Jim Peel
GOAC member Anaheim, CA

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
Most folks have been numbed by liberal/socialist outrages since, well, at least since Ted Kennedy drowned Mary Jo Kopechne and showed up at a press confeerence with a neck brace, inferring that HE was the injured party. It's just gone from bad to worse. New York Jews support Hillary even though she kissed Ms. Arafat right after a rabid speech against Israel and the USA.

People are beaten down, psychologically imprisoned by this steady torrent of outrage. It's impossible to live and maintain the levels of anger apporpriate to the insult and defamation inflicted on the country by the Clintons and their libveral/socialist apparatchiks. Hardly anyone can imagine any orther feasible way of life.
Indignation and anger have been repressed too long. I can't see how any sort of insurrection can succeed when so very many people are so chronically depressed. The reasons to revolt are the same things that make us incapable of revolting. We've been subjected to nearly forty years of psychological warfare.

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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!
 
Ever notice that the ones who get caught were the ones who talked. When I worked in the jail, I can't tell you how many people got busted because they felt a need to brag to another. I can't tell you how easy it is to catch someone who works with more than just himself. The secret to catching these people is you just find who they work with, or who they confide in and then divide and conquer. Tell person A that Person B has already told us about them, and then person A will spill his guts about what person B did. It works almost every time. What makes the Mafia so hard to catch is that they don't talk. If they go to prison, the "family" insures that they have a nice time there. It actually took Sammy the Bull to confess on John Gotti before they could actually nail him. All the proof in the world couldn't bring him down. It took another of his "friends" to do it.
If you can read between the lines, good. If you cannot, then you might not stew too long about this subject. Just my observations.
 
Well the difference here is that we aren't really conspiring ;)

We are talking about an event that many, if not all of the sane people at this forum pray will never happen.

It does come down to the whole issue of strong military or right to bear arms. While you may never need it, when you do, it's damn nice to have there. Information is definitely one of those nice to have things.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
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