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Any decated shooter will keep a data book. As a LE firearms instructor and CS Investigator, I been to court several times in dealing with firearms, Never ever heard of anyone catching flack because he kept data books or records of his shooting.

It would amount to the same thing as an attorney, during an traffic accident trail raising hell with someone who kept maintance records of his vehicle
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Okay, I will bite. Just how many times have you seen a CCW person in court being brought up on charges who was able to produce shooting records, scores, targets, etc.? Hmmm?

Shooting records are not the same thing as maintenance records.

Ever see a DIECENT sniper, military or LE, that dosnt keep a data book???
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Last I checked, the vast majority of CCW folks were not decent military or law enforcement snipers. In fact, most are not any kind of sniper. Most aren't in the military and most are not cops.

With that said, you say that they won't catch flack. Okay. What good does said data books provide and then please tie that into to a CCW situation where the CCW person has been brought up on charges for some sort of activity related to his shooting.
 
Okay, I will bite. Just how many times have you seen a CCW person in court being brought up on charges who was able to produce shooting records, scores, targets, etc.? Hmmm?
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I never said anything about data books in court, I said any shooter that takes the sport (or job) seriouly will keep a data book. Any one I coached keep one or they were off the team. When I taught Sniper Schools it was part of the course, no data book, no passing the course.

Scores & Data books in court are a differant matter. The only thing I would say is, you should be able to demistrate you shooting abilities. It couldnt hurt if you we able to show you did you best to understand you pistol. I do know that in police involved shootings, you qualification does come up.

But we are talking two differant subjects, read my other post on this topic.
 
After my CHL test they destroyed everyone's targets after recording "Pass or No Pass". The argument used was that all the State needs to know is if you Passed or Not Passed, and that actual scores can be used, one way or another, against you in court, God forbid it comes to that.

If you scored low, that can be used against you as evidence of relative incompetency.

If you scored high, a high score can be used to show that you "were training to be a killer", or something to that effect. Remember most of the jurors will be non firearm types and this type of specious argument may actually stick!

This is why I don't keep any records. They can be used to show that you are "obsessed" with shooting, and "training to be a killer". And, again, yes I believe that your average firearm ignorant public might just buy that type of bogus argument.

Of course, like others have said, ultimately the case will mostly be judged on whether or not the shooting was justified, but why give the prosecution free ammunition.
 
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If you are a civilian and are involved in a shooting, rule # 1 keep your mouth shut. Do not talk to the police or DA. Immediately ask for an attorney and invoke you right to remain silent. Do not be ambiguous about this.

Then when you speak to an attorney, not a DA, tell him what happened and that you keep records of your proficiency, if you do. Let him decide how to handle it.

Remember rule #1 - don't talk to the police. Why? They might make you regret it. They and DA's have ways of twisting anything you say against you, if they want to. Also, remember that any witnesses of the incident may not have seen it your way. Witnesses have ways of embellishing what happened, adding in things that did not happen and leaving out things that did.

Remember rule #1 - don't talk to the police.

Remember you still have to protect your ass. No one else will.
 
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