CCW people; how do you silence the antis?

"I am all pro-choice but it seems that some of you packers take walks in the wrong places. Are you guys looking for trouble? I dont know when you go out but I hope that you dont go out after sunset."

"wrong places"? I will walk in any public place I want to, at whatever hour suits me. I cede nothing to those who would do me wrong. I don't "look for trouble". Do you bar your doors and windows at sunset? They have you trapped indoors and own the town at night? I feel sorry for you.

"Shooting some drunk punks or a thief in self defence or to save the contents of your wallet does not make you a hero."

I beg to differ, taking criminal garbage off the streets IS an heroic act. There would be far fewer "wrong places" if there were fewer criminals to make them that way. Grow a spine.
Josh
 
I've turned this over in my mind a bit.

In the simplest possible terms: There's blatant evil, then there's the need to defend against such evil and most people fail to make the distinction between the evil and the defense.
 
How Do Silence The Anti

You can't they are a special breed.:barf: Just ask and they will tell you.:barf: "The police will come when called and quickly." They know this to be a fact.:rolleyes: Where I live the police response time is in 1/4 's of hours. So we have to be tough and I mean :mad: (TOUGH):mad: that way we are still alive after an attack to give a statement and discription. ;) Stay safe & remember "THE POLICE WILL PROTECT US"
 
I like the fire extinguisher the best. I simply ask them if they have one at home. Most say "yes" of course and then I ask them why. "In case something happens.." Ok. So let's say you didn't have one. A fire doubles in size every 30-45 seconds. If you call 911 and I get dispatched to your house to put out this fire, it might take me anywhere from 3-5 minutes to get there from the station. Would you rather try and put that fire out, or if not put it out at least try to slow it down, or would you rather sit there waiting for me to show up and put it out for you?... Now ask me again WHY I carry a gun...

I usually get a stare and an end to the conversation... :D
 
OK well answer me this.
If the drunk punk or thief turns to run before you pull the trigger and you shoot him in the back is it still self defence? If I was gunna mug someone and this person pulled a gun on me before I could get my hands on him I would run my @$$ off. This is what I would expect any mugger to do. If he has a gun he would probably shoot you as you are reaching for yours. Again this is what I would expect any mugger to do.
 
Can't Change Everyone

Your first problem is you live in a country that is Anti-Gun. Second off it is nobody’s responsibility as a CCW holder to force any person who is an Anti to change his or her view. It's like forcing someone to believe in your religion. I believe over time a person who is Anti-Gun will change their views because of many different circumstances that may occur in their life that has to do with their own personal safety. My personal opinion is majority of people who are anti-gun are that way because either they had a real bad experience with firearms when they were a child or an adult and also they live in an environment which they believe is so safe they don't have to lock the front door of their homes, or even lock their automobiles. Many off us don't know what it is like not to lock the front door of your home or even your automobile. Don't worry about these people. Your can't make everyone believe what you do that is what makes this world interesting.:)
 
First I do like the argument about "what's at stake". Even though the probability is low, what is at stake is so valuable that you prepare for it anyway. It is like insurance against catastrophies. It is like real estate title insurance -- it costs little, the potential for loss is extreme, so you'd have to be an idiot to not buy it.

Second, my main argument is that of responsibility. Specifically, just who is responsible for my safety and well-being? The government? The police? Nope, in truth neither of those are responsible for MY safety, only for that of the people at large. There is legal precedent for this, the police are not obligated to respond to my call for help at all, much less in a timely manner. MY safety is the responsibility of ME, and ME ALONE. There is no way that the police can be everywhere all the time, most of the time they are NOT there, but can only respond to something that has already happened, and by that time it is too late to prevent injury or death to myself. Therein lies the problem. The only person that I can count on to be able to respond to an attack on me in time to do anything about it is --- me. Therefore, I need to be armed.
 
This thread seems like it starts off on a false premise here. Why exactly would you want to silence the antis or argue them down by brute force? Wouldn't it be better to just let them spout off until one day you may be able to ask them to explain to you their own rationale error? Zekewolf, Bloody and others have it right here. You don't really have any reason to engage them in any test of wills nor great waste of your energy. Let nature take its course and they will learn from experiance.
 
Let nature take its course and they will learn from experiance.
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M&M, the only bad thing about this is that they usually don't survive the encounter and then their friends, anti-gun also, will screece about more gun control.

Those that do, and learn, are then ousted from their group because they are either afraid of the new way of thinking or quite possible may be upset that their friend survived and cannot be used to further an agenda. I have no doubt in my mind that many are like this.

I, myself, don't think that it's a waste of energy. All you have to do is place a seed of doubt into what they were told, taught, and believe and then you get someone that actually will pay attention to other sources. Not always, you have your die-hards that will argue with you that the earth is flat and nothing will ever change their minds. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

But if you take one of their warriors (term used loosely) from them, then they have to resort to even more shrill speaking of lies and people that are on the fence may look for the signal and shut out the noise (I was wondering if I could include the new term into a post :D ).

Wayne
 
"M&M, the only bad thing about this is that they usually don't survive the encounter and then their friends, anti-gun also, will screece about more gun control."

Unfortunately, there's another reason. That is that these morons vote. And they vote along with masses of other morons (most of which have not been "silenced", either) to elect morons who enact moronic anti-gun legislation. Some of these morons become the moronic legislators behind the anti-gun and anti-freedom legislation, some of these morons become the political enablers of those moronic legislators. Some of these morons gravitate towards the media, where they can spout there moronic message to the moronic masses.

It is our mission to at least attempt to educate the morons. One by one, hit or miss, a few here and a few there as we can. Otherwise, our rights WILL be further stripped.
 
You can use Hurricane Katrina and other natural disasters as an example. Not only can't the authorities take care of you, but it is your own personal responsibility, not the government.

Taking responsibility for your own actions and well being seems to be a large stumbling block for the liberal mind in any situation.
 
Shoot him in the back and you more than likely will go to jail, under any circumstances. Shoot him, and you are in trouble, but not injured or dead. Had a secretary once in B'ham Alabama who shot an asalent through a glass door with a 357 mag.:eek: he ran off to the nearest hospital, she called the police and they were notified that he was at the hospital while they were at her appt. investigating her complaint. They told her she had best hope that he did not die are she would be in big trouble.:rolleyes: Told her the next time drag him inside before calling them. :D End results were, he lived and she was under duress from the legal system for several years. :(
lesson learned is shoot to kill but make sure he is inside your home or property.;)
 
Told her the next time drag him inside before calling them
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That must have been a LOOOOOONG time ago. Altering evidence is a big NO-NO!

I can see where shooting someone through a door, even a glass door that you can see through, would be considered a questionable shooting.
 
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