CCW people; how do you silence the antis?

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mr00jimbo

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I hear a lot of things from the Antis

-Oh why do you need to carry a gun?
If you say for protection, they say how unlikely it is for somebody to rob you (which is, true but) I always tell them I would rather be ready than not, but people still think it's unnessasary. How do you silence these ppl?

BTW I live in Canada (No CCW allowed) and people just get jumped by large groups of people, which needs to stop but the cops can't do much about it. :rolleyes:
 
I ware a seatbelt when I drive a car. It’s unlikely I’ll get into an accident while driving too.
 
"...people just get jumped by large groups of people..." Most of whom are teenaged kids. None of them would be carrying legally anyway. However, there is no way to silence an 'anti'. Their knowledge of firearms comes from TV and movies. Just like the Liberals and their pet illegal lobbyist, Wendy Cukier.
Our Young Offenders Act(or whatever it's called now) is what is causing the grief here. The kids are committing crimes with no consequences.
 
What can we do? Educate. Practice. Carry responsibly. Use common sense. Don't give them bastards any more reasons to come after us!
 
Because I just came from a party at which someone was shot/stabbed shortly after I left? Details are fuzzy, it was litterally a half hour ago.

There a plenty of reasons, and that is jsut one. Its also why I carry even if I am out drinking some (never to the point of stupid decisions)
 
If someone asks you why you carry a gun they probably aren't smart enough to understand any reasoning you can present to them.
 
mr00jimbo said:
I hear a lot of things from the Antis

-Oh why do you need to carry a gun?
If you say for protection, they say how unlikely it is for somebody to rob you...
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Look at them quizzically, shake your head and tell them "You have it all wrong. It's not the odds that are important, it's what's at stake."

Any negative reply they make can be countered with "...my life and that of my family are too important to gamble them away on the whim of a violent predator."

If they still have trouble with this concept, remind them that house fires are statistically a low-risk hazard -- but smoke & fire detectors are a worthy investment because of what is at stake when a fire breaks out. Likewise, to prepare oneself for defense against a violent threat or attack is a worthwhile investment because of what is at stake -- your very life or that of your loved ones!

If the argument goes beyond that shake your head and tell them you are done talking -- they are too stupid to understand and should just let the government make all their decisions for them.
 
You guys have valid arguments. Very smart and logical responses!
The reason I need to argue is I'm in Canada and I would like to fight for a CCW, and a lot of people here are anti-gun and see no reason for it. But any time I go for a walk anywhere near a club or a bar, some billy bad-ass will stumble out drunk, soemtimes pull out a knife or a broken bottle (happened before) and call you out. You walk away and don't get involved, but sometimes this makes them look stupid in front of their friends, so they confront you. I have had friends get beat on by large groups of drunks because they refused to ackknowledge somebody trying to verbally or physically bully them.
 
re canada

Hi
The first thing you can do is get involved in the political process and vote out the gun banners. Do the police carry guns in Canada? If so is their safety any more importnat than yours? In the United States the courts have ruled that the police are NOT Responsible for protecting any given individual and thus cannot be found liable when they fail to do so. The context of this ruling has to do with restraining orders and those who have been issued this "paper shield" thinking that they now have the Penal code and its enforcers in their corner. In theory they do; but many find out too late that they are not worth the paper they are written on in many cases. The commen sense rule is that LAWBREAKERS DON"T CARE ABOUT SUCH COURT ORDERS. It is a shame that the people of Canada and the UK are held hostage by a handful of the Elite who no doubt have ARMED guards near at all times. It is amazing what a grassroots movement can accomplish! Self defense is a basic HUMAN RIGHT that no government should be allowed to take away from the people. At such time that this occurs the people are no longer citizens but subjects and at the "mercy'' of the govenment and its agents. Good Luck.
Steve :D
 
Steve,

It is Ironic that in England the royal family is carefully guarded by armed guards but they ban guns. Yes, in Canada cops carry guns. The police force in my city (Vancouver) have .40 S&W Beretta 96s. Some carry Glocks in other places. A lot of liberal people think cops shouldn't carry guns cause they might hurt a bad guy. :rolleyes:

I will vote conservative (the party that will help get looser gun laws) so my guns have a chance to breathe and aren't outlawed.
 
I work at a very liberal and anti-gun company. We have security guards. (They're not armed, but I know they have access to shotguns, and most are off-duty cops that I know carry concealed anyway)

Point is, we have had a couple armed muggings and even an attempted carjacking in our parking garage recently.

Now, of course I stay silent, but it sure was interesting to hear some of the 'oh, CCW kinda makes sense now' type of comments coming out of the sheeple, since they've realized they are the only ones that can protect themselves. At least a few people woke up, and have pepper-spray now. I've even noticed a few more 'pocket knives' on people lately. And those co-workers that I know are fellow CCW'ers, well, we just nod and wink at each other in the hallways...

As far as the thread topic, I usually feel people out first before I bring up any political topics. Liberals seem to be pretty loud-mouthed, and you'll 'hear 'em coming'. But, if you are in a discussion about it, the Seatbelt and Fire Extinquisher points seem to work well, and make people think a bit.
 
My wife is slowly giving up on arguing. I think she's even getting accepting.

Tonight we went to a night club. Since I was the designated driver I decided to pack (downtown Denver -- if I was drinking I wouldn't have) and I didn't have more than 2 beers in 5 hours.

Anyway ...

What are the chances I as an individual will get attacked/be in a situation where a mass murder is taking place? Very, very slim.

But ... let's turn it around. Suppose just 5% of the population regularly carries, as in all the time. What are the chances someone will be carrying when the madman opens up in the restaurant? If there are 20 or more people there, technically about 100%. What are the chances the serial rapist/killer will attack a woman with a gun? Much higher than if no one carries.

The people on the edge ready to shoot for any reason and the criminals will always be carrying guns anyway. There is no negatives to CCW, and it is a positive for society.

just recently ...

There was the 72 year old man who stopped a woman from being stabbed to death by her ex husband in an Albequerque Wal Mart. If the 72 year old man hadn't intervened (and would he have intervened if he hadn't been packing?) there would have been one more statistic of a dead woman killed by an ex husband. Instead, the violent SOB is dead and the woman was treated and released.

There was the woman in Aurora, Co, who was confronted late at night in her home by the serial rapist who has been haunting that area. She took a shot at him (and unfortunately missed), forcing him to run away and keeping her from being another statistic. She wasn't carrying concealed, but can anybody consider that a negative?

There are many other stories. And some negative ones too, of course. But bottom line is ... when good people train themselves in the use of firearms and use them responsibly, it's like having a whole lot more cops on the street. AT no cost to the taxpayer.
 
I am all pro-choice but it seems that some of you packers take walks in the wrong places. Are you guys looking for trouble? I dont know when you go out but I hope that you dont go out after sunset. If you really want to shoot someone join the army. Shooting some drunk punks or a thief in self defence or to save the contents of your wallet does not make you a hero. This is addressed to those that go for walks through known bad places at and after sunset. I have nothing against packing but I avoid trouble if I can.
This has been on my mind lately and it is not addressed to anyone specific on this thread.

How do I silence the antis?
I show them my gun. :D Just joking. The answer is - I dont. Why would I? I like to argue. :D My mom is an anti but she got my gun for me. We dont argue. :( I dont know any antis that would argue with me. :( I would like to point out some of these points to an anti though. One word - seatbelts. :)
 
When someone asks "what are the chances" , or how unlikely it would be,ask them what are the chances, or how unlikely would it be, of someone killing thousands of people by using a box cutter to pirate an aircraft and using it as a weapon.
THEN ASK IF THE OUTCOME MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF THERE WAS ONE, OR TWO ARMED CITIZENS ON THAT PLANE.
 
Seat belts, fire extinguishers, door locks, window locks, parking brakes, fireplace screens, etc.

I once worked contract for a company which had a no guns policy at and from corporate. Corporate was 2300 miles away. One day, our facility manager ran into my office and asked me to join him in the parking lot. "Oh, and bring your pistol." We went out and stopped a mugging/beating. Both of us were armed. He was ex Marine Force Recon, which explains his having been armed. :D

Pops
 
When I got bit by that stray cat back in 2001 (iirc, it's been awhile), I went to the ER the next day (was a Sunday, my Doc was closed for the weekend) because my finger (trigger finger at that :eek: ) looked like a red, angry sausage.

The odds of getting Rabies in Oregon from a cat is about 1%. Rabies is 100% (actually, from that girl that just survived last year (yes, I still research the disease), it's now 99%) deadly.

Rabie shots costs about $2500 to $3500 dollars for the entire treatment. I got the Rabie shots. 1% to me was worth the cost of life versus death even if the odds were in my favor.

I apply the same logic to my carrying a concealed weapon. And I have used the analogy above on some of the anti's that I've spoken with.

When I ask them if they would spend the money and seek treatment for a disease that was 100% deadly, yet 100% curable if you get the treatment, they all shake their heads yes. I ask if they would do so if the odd's were still 99 to 1 that you wouldn't get the disease, but if you did, you were a dead person, they all agreed that they would get and pay for the treatment.

Then I smile at them and wink while saying.... and that's why I carry a gun.

The odds may be low, but they are still present.

Wayne
 
This is addressed to those that go for walks through known bad places at and after sunset. I have nothing against packing but I avoid trouble if I can.
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I avoid trouble if I can also. But, sometimes trouble comes to you. Almost every "incident" I've been involved in has taken place during a work commute or eating out with friends/family. And the one's that didn't still didn't involve going into a dangerous area on purpose. Almost everywhere can be considered dangerous in this day and time.

Since I was the designated driver I decided to pack (downtown Denver -- if I was drinking I wouldn't have) and I didn't have more than 2 beers in 5 hours.
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2 in five hours is still drinking, isn't it?
 
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