CCW kept me from becoming a victim

No more laws for law abiding citizens

Quoted from Redneck Riot.... "I have since posting signed up for a local use of force class, and have obtained a copy of Dave Workman's book. This is truly good information, and is first rate. The suggestion to speak with a good reccommended criminal defence attorney was a great addition and I will be definately scheduling an appointment. I do still feel that my government needs to clarify the use of force guideline before issuing a CCW it is quite close to en-trapment to issue such a licence without the proper information in its use being stated."

Totally Disagree: :eek:
I have to disagree that Washington has to mandate you to take a course before issuing a CCW. You as the carrier need to take some responsibility and find out what the laws are. We don't need more laws, especially for the law abiding good folks in Washington. We do need to enforce the laws for the ones that don't follow them.


I'm glad you had this event happen to wake you up and see that you do need more work to understand the true legalities of carrying a gun. It's not play time. It's real life and just like life.... for a action there is a reaction or responsibility that comes with it.

CCW should not be taken lightly and you really do need to figure things out before you commit to such a responsibility.

Heck, I say that with being a parent. Kids do not come with "manuals" either but you see all these idiots having kids.

Take the class, read Dave Workman's book (I have a signed copy). He has great info!

You did good. You were placed in a tough situation and you reacted. Hindsight? My best response to that is... would you have gotten gas there in the first place?

You can't avoid everything but you can control what you do (to a limited degree). Learn from this and move on.

Bottomline: No one got hurt. You know that simply having a CCW means much more. Be more vocal and assert yourself and remember using your pistol is the last resort but when you have to use it - use it.

Remember that guy at the Tacoma Mall shooting a few years ago. He had his gun out and re-holstered for this punk that was shooting people with his AK. He ended up getting shot himself and in a wheelchair now.
 
I can't help but see the irony here. One of the problems with our society being unarmed is it forces law abiding citizens to restrict their travel rights. Can't go there, because you aren't armed, and, it's likely the bad guys aren't going to follow the CCW laws.

Now, even if you have a CCW, we fear for legal repercussions, again costing us OUR freedom to legally travel, through or to places, and, limits our time line in which to do it.

At some point, wouldn't it be nice if the CROOKS, ROBBERS, AND BAD GUYS, had to fear being shot, and, that would keep them away from places, rather then law abiding citizens?
 
Has anybody here actually been hit with commercially available pepper spray? I have been. No, I wasn't stealing a little old ladies purse or doing anything nefarious. Anyway, the stuff really doesn't do a very good job. I'd never carry any.
 
Wonder if bear spray would be better? Perhaps the very fact you are carrying something else, other then deadly force, might be a good point in court, when you are trying to convince those 12 liberal jury members that you aren't a gun nut...
 
I was in a similar circumstance just last weekend, picked up my girlfrend from her apt. to go to dinner. We stopped at the corner store so she could go in for a pack of smokes, I was parked 20-25 feet before the door, waiting in the car.
Just as she goes in, two scruffy looking guys, who are obviously together, come out of the store, one stops just to the right of the exit door and leans against the wall, (this puts him between my vehicle and my soon to be exiting GF) His partner walks behind my car, and leans against the wall at the corner of the building just beyond a soda machine, but still partially in my view using my mirror.

"This is bad juju" I think to myself, and I draw my weapon and lay it in my lap. The one by the exit begins to approach my window, explaining that he and his friend "need beer money", then the training kicks in... I pointed my weapon at him and told him to stop where he was, he complied and put his hands up, I then told him to move away toward the street, and have his partner do the same, he yelled to his buddy to "Run" and they both ran/staggered away toward the street. About 10 seconds later a police car pulls up...(GF had seen my drawn weapon and called 911 from inside the store on cell) I (carefully) secured my weapon, laid it on my seat, put my hands on the dash, and waited for the officer to come over and ask me to exit the vehicle. I did so, and explained the situation as it had happened. Another patrol car pulls up and I am asked to identify the two men in the back seat, it was the two "scruffy" guys. Seems they had stolen a purse from a lady at the gas station across the street just before I pulled up. They go to jail, and the officers and I talk 1911's for a few minutes. hope I never have to do that again. Point is...Situational awareness is your most important weapon.
 
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quote:About 10 seconds later a police car pulls up...

thats super quick for police to arrive...just curious, U stated the 2 guys were acting suspicious, but at what point did you feel your life was threatened? When he approached your car to ask u for money? Having your gun drawn is one thing, but having it aimed at him is another, don't ya think?
 
quote:About 10 seconds later a police car pulls up...

thats super quick for police to arrive..
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Just to clarify a bit, the street I was on is the main street in this town, and the police precinct is less than 2 miles away, you also might note this...

...(GF had seen my drawn weapon and called 911 from inside the store on cell)
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and this...

Seems they had stolen a purse from a lady at the gas station across the street just before I pulled up.
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They were already in route to the other call, and had been given a description of the guys on the phone by the people across the street.

U stated the 2 guys were acting suspicious, but at what point did you feel your life was threatened? When he approached your car to ask u for money?
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OK put yourself in my shoes, GF goes into store, two "suspicious" guys come out, one stops by the door, the other makes an attempt to (IMO) "Hide" from me behind a soda machine. This could be an attempt to "flank" me, suspicious enough for me to place my weapon in my lap and keep an eye out. Next, the guy by the door starts in my obvious direction, could he be the "distraction" while the other guy tries to catch me by surprise? Then figure in the GF who will be exiting the store BETWEEN the two guys, and with no knowledge that they are there. The math in my head said it was time to take action. either of us could have been a target, and I saw 2 threats and reacted.

Having your gun drawn is one thing, but having it aimed at him is another, don't ya think?
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Absolutely! But with 2 threats..one in front, and one behind, I was not going to simply yell at him, I felt that either Me or my GF was going to be a target, turns out I was likely right. The police thought I had reacted correctly.

Could it have been handled differently? possibly, but you don't have the luxury of time when things are un-folding in seconds, you either react, or you don't.
 
I wasn't giving you flack, just wanted some clarification, thats all. I'm not familiar with TN laws, but here in Indpls if someone wants to press charges on me for pointing my gun at them when I can't prove that my life was in danger (my word against the BG) then I could go to court and lose my CCP and probably have some sort of "assault" charge on my virgin clean record. I think u what u did was fine, I'd do the same for my wife..just not pointed it at him thats all.
 
just not pointed it at him thats all
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Fair enough, had I been outside the vehicle I probably would have drawn and stayed at "low ready" while telling him to back off, but I was inside, he, nor his partner could see my firearm in my lap. My thought was to let the guy in front KNOW I was not merely suggesting that he shove off.

TN law could have allowed him, or LE to press ADW charges, but that was the last thing I was worried about at the moment.

I have anaylized this to death this week, and just can't seem to find a different way to have handled it. I did not have time or distance on my side to exit the vehicle, May have pointed too quickly, but I just don't see another way.

GF should definately quit smoking..:D
 
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