CCW holder making threats.

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billydiesel

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How do you deal with a ccw holder who indirectly threatens you and your family. He is the ex of my sister, and he turned out to be abusive, so she left him. she moved in with me and now he made me a target. I don't fear the guy but it is starting to get annoying. I am licensed to carry myself, but he doesn't know this.

I think he is just empty threats but I am getting tired of hearing through the grapevine that I am going to get "shot between the eyes". Any legal advice on how to handle this guy?

P.S. This guy shot with me once, and he can't hit a coke can from 15 to 20 feet with his .357 sig. But I do not like myself or my family being threatened with a firearm. My sister lives in constant fear of this guy and I am getting tired of it. Any advice appreciated.
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Billy
 
"Getting tired of it" is completely irrelevent to anything--that is your problem, not his. Maybe you need to work on a little patience :) . If you do something stupid because you "got tired of it" you will find yourself wishing you had slept on it alot more. All of us get tired of things in life, but they have nothing to do with the fact that we carry a gun. Don't ever let the two become related.

You don't tell him you are licensed, nor do you respond to him in any way, nor do you put out anything through the grapevine. That way you save the tactical advantage and you don't lower yourself to his level where it becomes a "he said, she said" argument. You may well want to have a conversation with the police department to have the threats on record. Then you stay alert until he grows tired of it and goes away.
 
Threats are a serious thing. Get a restraining order and he'll probably have his license suspended to carry. May sound harsh but what's more important, his right to carry or your safety? He's giving all of us gun owners a bad name and I would hate to see him do something. Better safe than sorry.
 
I agree with getting a restraining order. You don't want somethign to happen and then people find out there was a problem and you did nothing to try and stop it legally first.
 
I am getting tired of hearing through the grapevine
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I would advise against a restraining order until the threats were not hear say. You just might push the guy over the edge if his Rights are taken away for something he didn't do. There's always 2 sides to a story. I would be content on informing the police and getting it on record.

kenny b
 
I would advise against a restraining order until the threats were not hear say. You just might push the guy over the edge if his Rights are taken away for something he didn't do. There's always 2 sides to a story. I would be content on informing the police and getting it on record.

kenny b
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Pushing him over the edge? Then maybe it's a good idea the guy is disarmed if he's not competent to handle a firearm.
 
restraining order won't hurt the guy as long as he stays away
edit: can you still purchase a gun if you've had a restaining order against you?
 
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Threatening you with a gun? It's called "aggravated assault," brother. And the end result can leave him in a very small room for a very long time.

Call the cops, man.
 
He never threatend him with a gun, it was all heard through the grapevine. In NY a restraining order against you could lead to you losing your pistol permit, your guns and all rights to own firearms. That would be enough to push me over the edge if someone were to knowingly file a false BS report just to hurt me personaly. Especially if I just lost everything else I owned in a divorce and the firearms were the only thing I had left.

kenny b
 
The way I read Form 4473 Section 12(h) is that the restraining order has to be issued to protect "spouse, former spouse, intimate partner and/or children thereof", to disqualify one from purchasing a firearm.
So in this case he would need to get his sister to apply for the order. If she won't do it, I would still go for one for myself and family.
 
To my understanding, Samurai is right if the guy is an imminent threat, i.e., is standing there threatening you with bodily injury, and is carrying a concealed weapon, licensed or not. At least in Florida, you do NOT threaten anyone while in possession of a firearm. However, this being an indirectly conveyed threat, I'm not sure it is an assault, but it most certainly is harassment. If it continues, it's stalking.

Note here that I am not a lawyer, but I am someone who's been subjected to severe stalking, which includes threats, and have been for a number of years.
If I were you I'd do two things.

Thing one is you need to identify the parts of this "grapevine" who have passed on this threat to you. Since it's a threat made through a third party, I'm not sure it's an assault. But if these grapes admit to a policeman what has been said, that could be considered an important part of the record. Why do you need a record?

Because it's going to help you with the second thing. Like everyone else says, GET A RESTRAINING ORDER. You say you don't fear him, but I have to wonder why you would be asking about it if you didn't just a little. That fear is KEY to being granted the order. The record is needed because, since he's not YOUR ex, you won't have a very easy time of getting that order (it's not Domestic Violence) unless you can document the threats. If he were threatening your sister, at least in Florida, the restraining order would be a slam-dunk for her to get.

Anyone who threatens someone with shooting them, directly or indirectly, is at the very least an ******* who should have it made very clear to him that any such behavior will not be tolerated.

In sum, you are not big enough to handle this problem. Only the state is. Use them.

You do not need an attorney in most big cities to file for a restraining order. In Florida, since it's not a DV issue, you might have to pay a service fee of about $85, but if your sister has to file one, that fee is waived. If you decide to go that route, it wouldn't hurt to talk to a local attorney. He can tell you what to say in court to get the optimal protection available.
 
He never threatend him with a gun, it was all heard through the grapevine. In NY a restraining order against you could lead to you losing your pistol permit, your guns and all rights to own firearms. That would be enough to push me over the edge if someone were to knowingly file a false BS report just to hurt me personaly. Especially if I just lost everything else I owned in a divorce and the firearms were the only thing I had left.
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Believe me when I tell you, from the other side of the fence, that you DO NOT LET THIS KIND OF THING GET ANY MOMENTUM. There is something WRONG with somebody who threatens to shoot anyone, grapevine or not, and you have no way of knowing in advance just how badly disturbed they are.

INVOLVE THE AUTHORITIES, and FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

It is NOT a false BS report if the guy is letting it be known that he intends to shoot someone. Joking about that is like saying "bomb" in an airport. Anybody with any sense at all simply doesn't do it.

I have owned a firearm for over 7 years. I have been involved in a severe stalking for 5 of those years. I have NEVER, EVER, EVER so much as hinted that I was going to "go over there and put an end to the problem", not to anyone; not to my family or closest friends. And this was under some very tempting conditions.
 
Remove someone’s rights based on unsubstantiated, undocumented fear by a 3rd party, what a liberal moment we're having.

kenny b
 
how about call the guy and ASK if he's really pissed or not. do we know if the problem is real or fabricated?
 
How do you deal with a ccw holder who indirectly threatens you and your family.
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Same way I'd feel about a non-CCW holder threatening me. I'd involve the authorities if I felt the threat was real, and I'd watch my/families back.

He could be a carrying illegally... I'd do the same thing.
 
Invention_45 has some good advice, but I'd like to add my 2 copper coins.

You need to document the threats as much as you can. First is to get these 3rd party "grapes" to either relate what they know on paper or on tape, complete with their contact information. Second is to document any personal threats made to you or your sister, including dates & times. If he "happens" to show up at her work, gym, school, etc., document anything he says or does along with the date and time.

Why is all of this important? Because if you do decide to get a restraining order, it bolsters your claim of harrassment, stalking, threats, etc. IF, however, the situation comes down to a physical confrontation of any kind, you have documentation will show a prior pattern of threats and stalking/harassing activities.

This guy might just be "blowing off steam" to friends to show how macho he is or he might be convincing himself to try something. Chances are, he'll let it go over time, but start documenting now, just in case.

I'd not go for a R.O. until he takes some overt action (stalking, personally making threats, etc.) or indicates he has some kind of plan or date that he's going to do something.
 
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