CCW: Analyze this

[David Armstrong]

"It is better to be tried by twelve than carried by six"

I prefer the "it is better not to be tried or carried" option.

 

[Brit]

Two on bikes?

Driving after them to try for better ID to inform the Police.

Might have got really nervous, not driving as well as I do normally! POW! Bikers awaiting police vehicles.

 

[Tim Burke]

To go back to the OP...
a ten second exchange which was clearly a robbery scenario, gun being passed from one to the other, and he just stands there?
Fight/flight/freeze. The blogger apparently wasn't going to fight. Freeze is most effective when you haven't been spotted yet. He chose wrong. My guess is he thinks every problem can be solved by talking, and this was his introduction to the real world.

 

[alloy]

"Only place your hand on your weapon to draw it and only draw it to shoot it and only shoot it to save your life."
KELTYKE

ok newbie here, and i dont plan on drawing my weapon any time soon and never have, nor brandished one. i try to prepare for the day it will need to be drawn and i hope i never have to. 10 years so far. but do you see no event where drawing a weapon might stop the assault but not require the actual firing of the weapon? or would you wait until a shot is the only resort before bringing the weapon into the event?
meaning primarily...is there no legal issue with allowing a situation to escalate beyond the point of no return? for instance a guy 15 feet away winds up a baseball bat and starts walking towards you, brandishing it with an obvious intent.

excuse my stupidity, i understand that hypothetical situations are discouraged here. only trying to learn a proper mental approach. sorry for the thread jacking...i dont want to start a hypo thread.

KELTYKE....anyone....?

 

[Tim Burke]

but do you see no event where drawing a weapon might stop the assault but not require the actual firing of the weapon? or would you wait until a shot is the only resort before bringing the weapon into the event?
meaning primarily...is there no legal issue with allowing a situation to escalate beyond the point of no return? for instance a guy 15 feet away winds up a baseball bat and starts walking towards you, brandishing it with an obvious intent.

I wouldn't disclose the presence of the weapon until I drew it, and I wouldn't draw it unless I was justified in using it. In the baseball bat example given, the use is justified. However, circumstances can change quickly. If, in the second that you are drawing the gun, the guy drops the bat and runs off, shooting him is no longer justified.
It's difficult to give hard and fast rules to cover every situation.

 

[BillCA]

In a street mugging, may one reasonably assume they will be gravely injured or killed? That depends on the history of muggings in that area, and the demeanor of the BG(s). Every situation is different.

I see contradictions within the above statements.

The contradiction is that the above post claims defending yourself in a "street mugging" depends on the history of similar incidents in that area, but then says every situation is different.

I submit that each incident is unique. You are not responsible for knowing the outcome of similar incidents in any area. Your actions will be judged based on the incident in which you are involved.

First: Being "mugged" and being "robbed" are semantically equivalent. In either case, another person uses threats of violence or great bodily harm, including death, to obtain valuables from you.

Any time you are approached by one or more persons who demand you turn over some valuable(s) to them there is an implied threat to your safety. If any kind of weapon, including clenched fists, are displayed, there is the threat it will be used. If you're alone and facing two or more persons who have moved to flank or surround you, the implied threat is a severe gang-beating.

Secondly, a robbery is a life-threatening event. The robber uses the threat of force that says "look here, if you don't give me what I want, I will hurt you or kill you."

A friend was "mugged" not long ago and because she hesitated in turning over her wallet, the unarmed perp attacked, giving her a vicious beating that broke her cheekbone, shattered the orbit of one eye and gave her a skull fracture. Eleven days in the hospital after surgery. When he was caught, he said "I shoulda made sure the b---- was dead."

As far as the OP is concerned, in any state where CCW is allowed, if I were carrying, the appearance of a weapon being passed would have resulted in (at a minimum) drawing my weapon on the thieves. Depending upon their general demeanor during the event it could have involved loud noises as well.

Final thought:
The "experts" tell use to give a robber what he wants. The problem is, what if he decides he wants my life?

 

[TripIII]

Situational awareness is key. Being on guard to the point of paranoia would have helped in this situation and having a plan stored in your subconcious. At some point in the confrontation had he thought to get maximum distance and find cover that may have really helped. You don't have to stand and have a conversation with your mugger. No need to stand up to the mugger especially if you are armed. Once you realize you are being mugged...withdraw...take cover...maybe you can get farther away...and if none of that works...give them lead.

That is one of the benefits of CCW. You run through your mind how to try to be a responsible armed citizen...how to give yourself the best chance to stay alive.

Don't be complacent.