CC for Jogging or Biking?

Biking- Smartcarry has worked for me, can get hot though. A pack that attaches to the bike and then to the body when you chain up the bike would be ideal.
Jogging has been defensive folding knife territory for me. Just clip into the waistband.
 
Croz, I like that rig.:D
Eli, welcome to the forum, and to newly opened eyes. Please, above all, get good competant instruction no matter what sidearm you choose. A good solid 357 mag 3 inch revolver loaded with 38+P ammo is a choice I offer to first timers, but if you like DA/SA, one that would work well in that chest pouch would be a CZ PCR 9mm, 14 round mag, DA/SA alloy frame, decocker.http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-d-pcr-compact/ Another smaller, lighter option would be the CZ RAMI BD decocker model, 10 round 9mm DA/SA. That's my wifes' choice.http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-bd/
Try before you buy, if you can, rental ranges are great for that, and get the training. Carry legally, and welcome to a new wider world of personal responability.
 
Greetings Eli and welcome to the Dark Side: it is your destiny (or density) and we have the best cookies.

I think you have received pretty good advice from the forum. I usually run at the gym where they don't even allow cell phones, much less firearms. I live in a pretty good neighborhood, but still carry at least my Ruger LCP when walking the dog with my wife and / or kids due to a couple nasty run-ins with very aggressive dogs that owners seem to have little to no control over. My black lab was nearly killed early this year by a pit-bull mix just because we walked by her house. She broke her leash and had my dog by the head in a blur. That said, it never crossed my mind to break up a fight between dogs with my gun, even if one of the dogs was my own. The gun is in case one of these animals goes after my daughter instead of my dog.

This all said Eli, what would you have done differently in your scenario had you been carrying? Sprinting behind that car for a quick get-away may have not been your only hope, as it was when you were unarmed, but it still could have been your best hope even if you happened to be well-heeled. If you have an opportunity to safely disengage without a firefight and frankly, run away, you've won I think.

Whatever weapon you choose, pick up a copy of Massad Ayoob's book "In Gravest Extreme" off of Amazon to go along with it. Though it was originally published in 1980, Massad's book is still very relevant and parts of it address what will happen to you should you ever need to finish a confrontation between you and a bad guy with your firearm. You'll be alive, which is a big upside (!), but even in cases of clear self defense your life will become very complicated and possibly expensive for quite some time, as Mas outlines.

For example, I had a buddy who is an LEO in my city over to my house for cold ones and a Rockies game on TV this past summer. While shooting the bull, I recalled a instance where only blocks from my house I came accross a mule deer buck just struck by a pickup. The truck was a bloody mess, grille crumpled and splattered, radiator hissing. The buck was still alive, somehow, weakly kicking around. I drove around and off as my kids were with me, but in our bull session I speculated aloud to my buddy if I should have stopped and placed a merciful round behind that buck's ear. Bob looked at me like I was crazy and just said, "Dude..... Felony!" Moral: Not saying you shouldn't carry, just be aware the CCW isn't some kind of pass.
 
I think you did the right thing to avoid them or him, even if you had a gun.

www.JGsales.com has some of that ammo for that gun I told you (PM) about, although it is FMJ, it's a pretty good price, and some people will tell you to use FMJ for such a light low velocity round for SD.
 
Ruger LCP. Similar to the Keltec P3AT others suggested but more refined and better reputation. Carry in small holster, fanny pack (although this will make a certain fashion statement), "clipdraw", or even a jacket pocket.

.380 is consider the minimum caliber for self defense by the vast majority of gun owners.

I have pitbull that is my baby(she loves kids but not male strangers) and I'll tell you they are strong and stoic breed.

If you have ones that are not well mannered chasing you; you are wiser to find a slightly different jogging route. It's hard to hit a moving target, especially coming at you.

I never want to find out or really even think about it but, based on how hard my dog plays, I don't think a .22 would stop a pitbull unless it was VERY well placed. Plus, the noise would probably alert the dog's owner. Which would lead to a whole other (and more dangerous) situation. Dogs are usually repelled well with some form of pepper spray.
 
Bicycle Tip

Keep it on your person even while bicycling. I was using a small fannypack type carrier on handlebars when a giant weirdo jumped out on the trail wielding a large knife in a menacing way. I stopped and dismounted while the maniac closed the distance to arm's reach. I lifted the bike by the handle bars and used it to block him and he laughed and backed off. My wife and dog came up behind me so I mounted up and we kept moving.
While I had the bike up between us, I was wishing that the fannypack was on me instead of attached to the bike. I ride trails with my dog and usually have a lot of gear but I still appreciate the light weight comforter. Something is better than nothing and it is only a last resort.
 
Well Eli, it's funny how one realizes that the police cannot protect everyone at all times when one is faced with a life or death situation. A small can of pepper spray is about all I would think would be comfortable on a run. If one must carry, something very small and light will be your best hideout weapon. However, if you drop it you'll potentially be adding to crime problems rather than protecting yourself. There are fanny pack holsters, but I imagine that would become annoying after a few days. You did the most prodent thing which is to avoid confrontation and ditch your potential attackers before they closed the distance on you. Even had you been armed, the best course of action would have been the same. Would you have chosen to stand and fight had you been armed against someone potentially armed with a long gun? You would have escalated things and potentially been killed stone dead. I'm very much a believer in gun rights, but as a relative newbie, I suggest you slow down and get comfortable firing a .22 target pistol or even a .22 rifle for fun as your first weapon before you choose to carry a defense gun. You also must qualify and apply for a permit to legally carry in most states thanks to the liberal anti gun lobby. I don't think you should make any rash decisions even though you certainly had a scarry close call lest you become a poster child for gun control advocates. A no brainer would be to buy and start shooting a 4 inch .22 Long Rifle pistol. Get comfortable with shooting before you try to select, qualify and carry a gun for defense. An unskilled person carrying a gun everywhere he goes is as much a danger to himself as to others. I would not have the same advice to someone who was raised hunting and shooting. Those types of people generally have developed good gun handling habbits. rc
 
Eli the Jock - Lot's of good advice posted. The rig/holster is probably as important if not more important than the firearm in your case. One pistol that I did not see mentioned was the NAA Mini Revolver in .22LR or .22 Mag.

There are ones with a factory equipped lanyard attachment where one can loop a wrist strap through and hide the entire revolver in your hand. If you want more concealability, you can have the pistol enclosed in a change purse or wallet with a Velcro snap while it is in your hand (with wriststrap). This way, you will always have the pistol in your hand; just rip the Velcro and point...much less worries about dropping the tiny thing, too.

BTW, the P3AT or P32 are small & light enough rig in this fashion as well; and yes - I have tried this with the ones I have...
 
Plenty of good suggestions here.. so I'm not going to add anything to that.

Regarding your encounter.. why would a mugger pick somebody running as a target? I mean, chances are the most you have on your person is $5 and an iPod. Then again, they're not expecting you to be armed, so it's an easy iPod to snatch.
 
I am an avid cycler; I keep my Ruger LCP in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster in one of the rear pockets of my biking jersey. It is flat, light and unseen. Frankly, I completely forget I have it there when biking. No issues whatever with perspiration.
 
I prefer a Glock 26 in a Uncle Mike's Kydex OWB, and cover it with only a safety vest, for night biking. My reasons are decent ballistics, no problem one-handing a 9mm while still controlling a bike, the kydex rig offers good retention in case of falls, yet is quick to get into action, and nothing is cost-prohibitive. I've not changed a thing in years. Load is 124 gr Hydra-Shoks.
 
Far and away, Smith & Wesson Airweight 431PD (hammered) or 432PD (non)--32 H&R Magnum loaded with Georgia Arms 100 gr JHP. Though discontinued, these nifty Smiths are around. Vs the autos, goes bang every time "without thought" (I.e., no jams, safeties or decockers, etc, to worry about for the likely adrenalined condition--and no sensitive single action trigger (in your normal firing mode) to worry about either. As the name suggests, almost non-existent weight and size,... firing 6 .38 Special-level rounds--but lower recoiling--in a format normally only loading 5 (.38s). Waist band or belt mounted, covered by T-shirt. Balanced by flat 6 pak extra ammo belt on opposite side (also "non existent" weight). For your situation, doesn't get any "better" than this. Between the hammered (431) and non-hammered (432) you'll find equal adherents. I'm in the former camp; just always like a hammer, but the latter will not print as much and is snag-free (though the hammer on the 431 is very small). Search both with and without "PD" as attached (no space) suffix. Add to above also pepper spray--just because. That way you're double loaded for whatever circumstance you find yourself in. Welcome, and good luck.
 
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Copied this from another forum. Looks pretty neat to me!

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cycling carry

I mountain bike religeously. After coming nose to nose with a full grown cougar a while back I now carry a .357 in a fanny pack. I used to run as religeously as I now bike, but I didn't carry then. The Smartcarry that was suggested above sounds like it would work pretty well as long as it doesn't make you too hot down there.
 
Johnny Cougar

It is amazing what kind of stuff one can roll up on while bicycling on or off the trails. The speed and silence with the lack of tell tale footfalls enables one to surprise animals that are usually too wary. I rode through a flock of wild turkeys once. Those were the first ones I had ever seen. The most memorable experience was once when I was suddenly aware that I was in the middle of a herd of running deer.
My worst fear is that some day I will roll around a turn and come face to face with John Cougar Mellencamp.
 
Here is a suggestion: I am a senior who walks five miles everyday for physical fitness. I cannot run and I cannot hide. I carry a S & W model 60 five shot stainless steel 357 magnum with Federal 130 grain hydroshock ammunition, low recoil rigged with Crimson Trace Grips. With age, you just cannot see as good as i use to. I use a DeSantis pocket holster that fits nicely into my cargo shorts that I wear when walking. It is totally concealed and easily accessable. The only other altheranative that I would consider is using a Glock model 26 9mm with a DeSantis pocket holster. I may be purchasing that shortly, with laserlyte sites. You are wise to provide yourself some protection.

As a recovered stroke victim, I have no physical strength to protect myself and law enforcement only appears after the fact.
 
Glad things worked out for you so well Eli...
I'm no jock or anything close to one...lol. But I do have a job requiring me to be physically active, and I ride a bicycle a few hours a week. I almost always carry a firearm. My soloution to the problem is to carry a S&W Model 10 pencil barrel police trade in... In a military shoulder holster. The result is a flat carrying gun that stays in the same place all the time. I know there are smaller guns, lighter guns, more powerfull guns, In fact any mid to full sized gun could be used as easily. The .38 is my personal choice. I got the holster from "pacific canvas and leather" for about $40. buh... El-Paso also makes one ... custom to fit the gun for a few more buh...


:)
 
NAA Mini Revolver in an MP3 player armband holster/case.

Works awesome and is totally concealable and fashionable.

Ipod sizes will fit most of the smaller NAA Minis.
 
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