I figured since you had the 6.5 and .338-06 which really are still only semi-commercial wildcats. I don't know anyone outside of A-Square that produces 6.5 loaded ammunition, and Nosler is the only other manufacturer of .338-06 besides A-Square anymore. Since were on the topic of Gibbs, don't forget about the Ackley versions, Hawk and PDK cartridges as well.
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I figured since you had the 6.5 and .338-06 which really are still only semi-commercial wildcats. I don't know anyone outside of A-Square that produces 6.5 loaded ammunition, and Nosler is the only other manufacturer of .338-06 besides A-Square anymore. Since were on the topic of Gibbs, don't forget about the Ackley versions, Hawk and PDK cartridges as well.
sc928porsche
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I dont collect cartridges per se. I do however, pick up as much brass as I can at the range for reloading purposes. Sometimes an odd ball or two will find its way into my possession that way.
Mike Irwin
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"Mike, thanks for mentioning the .30-01, have never heard of it and now I have to find one."
Good luck. TURBO rare.
Cartridge collecting can be very inexpensive to get into, or it can be VERY costly.
It all depends on what you want to collect.
Good luck. TURBO rare.
Cartridge collecting can be very inexpensive to get into, or it can be VERY costly.
It all depends on what you want to collect.
Most cartridges for a collection can be gotten for less than a buck each. You can amass a pretty good collection, depending on what interests you, for relatively little money. The really neat thing is that this stuff was not meant to be collected, and the newest collector can discover rounds that a 50 year vet has never seen.
Mike Irwin
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What's a solid Crispin .50 Long carbine cartridge go for these days, Jonny?
Are they over $1,000 yet?
I've seen fairly crappy ones priced at better than $600.
Are they over $1,000 yet?
I've seen fairly crappy ones priced at better than $600.
Yes, but the first time they used that case was for the .38-55. .32-40, .30-30, .25-35, and .375 Winchester are all derived from that case.
6.5-'06 is a wildcat version of the 256 Newton. You really should find some Newton cartridges.
And I agree, the .30 Government 1903 and 1906 are really descendents of the 8X57mm.
As you search through stuff, you will find oddballs:
* 236 Lee- the commercial version of the 6mm Lee Navy
* .30-30 Remington- only marked that way for one year, later called 30 Remington after Winchester's boys in pinstripe suits had a talk with Remington's boys in pinstripe.
* .30 American- a small-primer version of 30-30 Winchester brass.
* .30 US Army rimless- like it says, a rimless version of what we know as the 30-40 Krag/30 US Army.
alaskabushman
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I'll post more pictures in a bit, I keep getting compliments on my collection and I'm like "this is only a small chunk!" I'll be honest on the 6.5-06...I worked that up myself. Ran a 30-06 case up into a .260 die and called it good. I'm sure its slightly different than a true 6.5-06 but its close enough for my collection.
I have managed to build my collection for free. Based solely on the generosity of others who have collected firearms for longer than I have been alive and have seen some interesting things. My 8mm Nambu was given to me by a guy who's buddy brought it back after WWII as a souvenir. He just GAVE it o me, I'm sure I'll never run into another one of those. I got to dig through the "odd ammo" box of a guy who worked for CCI-Speer, I found a couple cool things that he found on the floor of the Factory... They never existed as a factory round but were prototypes. I'll post the coolest one next.
I have managed to build my collection for free. Based solely on the generosity of others who have collected firearms for longer than I have been alive and have seen some interesting things. My 8mm Nambu was given to me by a guy who's buddy brought it back after WWII as a souvenir. He just GAVE it o me, I'm sure I'll never run into another one of those. I got to dig through the "odd ammo" box of a guy who worked for CCI-Speer, I found a couple cool things that he found on the floor of the Factory... They never existed as a factory round but were prototypes. I'll post the coolest one next.
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alaskabushman
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This is that odd little number found on the floor at CCI. I married an Idaho girl from Lewiston which is where CCI-Speer is based. My Father-in-law is friends with this guy. Thats the connection anyway. It appears to be based on the .223 case blown out to take a .35 caliber bullet (or in this case shotshell) I'm not sure if its .355 or .357. Here its shown next to a 9mm CCI shotshell which is obviously what this round is based on. On the right is a .223. No its not a 9X40 Lahti, no its not a rimless .357 maximum.
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alaskabushman
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Yes, but the 38-55 was not originally smokeless, the 30-30 was. The .32 Winchester Special was also based on this case. The .303 Savage borrowed heavily from it as well.
Mike Irwin
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The .38-55 (1870s) and .32-40 (1880s) both were introduced by Ballard in that company's popular and successful series of high-end target rifles.
They remained primarily target cartridges until Winchester introduced the Model 1894 chambered for these two rounds. The smokeless .30-30 and .25-35 didn't debut in the 1894 until 1895, when Winchester was finally able to procure enough smokless powder to load sufficient quantities of ammunition.
Savage picked up both rounds for its Model 1899, which undoubtedly helped keep them alive through the transition to smokeless powder.
They remained primarily target cartridges until Winchester introduced the Model 1894 chambered for these two rounds. The smokeless .30-30 and .25-35 didn't debut in the 1894 until 1895, when Winchester was finally able to procure enough smokless powder to load sufficient quantities of ammunition.
Savage picked up both rounds for its Model 1899, which undoubtedly helped keep them alive through the transition to smokeless powder.
jeffreyulatan
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This picture has helped me with my cartridge collection. i hope it helps other people, just print it out, and hang it.
http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg
http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg
Gunplummer
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Scorch, I actually had a couple of .256 Newton rounds that some guy brought me to look at. They went in the big Auction, but I am not sure that they were derived from the 30.06 anyway. I remember they were headstamped ".256 Newton" and might have been Remington production, but am not sure on that. I never really checked up on the history because nobody ever wanted one built.
Mike Irwin
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Everything I have ever seen on the subject indicates that Charles Newton started with the .30-06 case, shortened it, trimmed and reformed the neck, and voila, there was the .256.
Magnum Wheel Man
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since I reload so many cartridges, I've got a collection by default ( I actually have several 100 odd balls more than just what I reload 
)
my retired machinist buddy has litterally many 1000's of oddball cartridges...
so how do you guys display yours ??? mine started out in 2 X 4's with holes drilled for the bases of the cartridge, but I've long since overgrown that set up... my collection, is now, litterally a pile built on top of those couple 2 X 4's...
my buddy mentioned above has his all in old machinist drawer cabinets, sorted out by caliber... my problem with "formally" collecting cartridges, is how to display them where they are easy to show off, in a system that is easy to grow as I collect new ones...
how about some pics of how you guys store & or display your collections ???
)my retired machinist buddy has litterally many 1000's of oddball cartridges...
so how do you guys display yours ??? mine started out in 2 X 4's with holes drilled for the bases of the cartridge, but I've long since overgrown that set up... my collection, is now, litterally a pile built on top of those couple 2 X 4's...
my buddy mentioned above has his all in old machinist drawer cabinets, sorted out by caliber... my problem with "formally" collecting cartridges, is how to display them where they are easy to show off, in a system that is easy to grow as I collect new ones...
how about some pics of how you guys store & or display your collections ???
50 shooter
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ABM,
If you need a 50 BMG round for the collection and have something you want to trade, PM me and we can work something out.
50 Shooter
If you need a 50 BMG round for the collection and have something you want to trade, PM me and we can work something out.
50 Shooter
I stopped displaying my cartridge collection a long time ago, just not interesting to most folks. My headstamp variations are in ammo boxes and the different caliber variations are in flat Card-Ex drawers. I have a few neat cut-aways in framed glass boxes on the wall of my "bullet office", but that's about it. Much more interesting displays for the guys who collect big ordnance, but that presents other difficulties.