Mkbailey123
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Conceal carrying with the Hammer back is safe- Safe as a Glock 19
I have been reading several threads about this topic. It appears most everyone has an opinion that by cocking the hammer of a DA/SA makes it too unsafe to carry.
On one hand you would have to be very naive to think that cocking the hammer is as safe as carrying in DA mode. The same logic goes for carrying a Glock with a round racked in place.
Glock has done such a good job of marketing there double "safe" action only. I have a many Glocks including a model 19. Stock I think the trigger pull is 4.5 pounds. I along with many Glock enthusiasts have modified my trigger pull. I installed a lighter trigger assembly and pin reducing my pull to 3.5 or so pounds.
I have carried my Glock 19 and 43 this way for years. Having a secure IWB holster with a rigid plastic guard over the trigger is all you need.
In my opinion " common sense albeit" there are two areas of concern carrying any gun with a live round in the chamber. Wither it is a SA, DA/SA, or DA only preventing negligent discharges is what we are all after. The two areas of concern would be pulling the trigger unintentionally or dropping the gun and discharging the weapon.
So lets discuss for simplicity sake the Glock 19 Double action only and the Sig P229 DA/SA. For ease of debate lets use the drop test. Everything I have read both the Glock 19 and Sig P229 cocked will not fire dropped unless the trigger is pulled on either gun.
Now lets discuss carrying these guns holstered, chambered and cocked. I think we can all agree now that neither of these guns will fire without the trigger being pulled. If you have a safe holster this will never be a problem; at least while the gun is holstered.
The only other areas of concern are when both guns are holstered or un-holstered. Here is where the rubber meets the road, and everybody sheepily following the flock.
Just because Glock has done a great job making us believe these are double action pistols, they in terms of safety are not.
Most Double Action guns have a 10lb trigger pull. In a concealed carry environment where we might holster and un-holster our guns a few times each day, this could add a large degree of safety.
In order to determine the Sig P229 unsafe because the gun is cocked, one would have to review the trigger pull weight. Because at this stage of the game this is the only safety margin either the Glock or the Sig have.
Even though the Glock is partially cocked it only takes between 3.5 and 4.5 pound of pull with a very short travel needed to make the Glock go boom. The Sig has a 4 to 4.5 pound trigger in SA mode. The Sig does is SA mode a slightly less trigger pull length, but a slightly higher trigger pull pound.
So one could argue carrying a Glock with a trigger job is less safe than carrying a cocked Sig P229 with a stock trigger.
I have been reading several threads about this topic. It appears most everyone has an opinion that by cocking the hammer of a DA/SA makes it too unsafe to carry.
On one hand you would have to be very naive to think that cocking the hammer is as safe as carrying in DA mode. The same logic goes for carrying a Glock with a round racked in place.
Glock has done such a good job of marketing there double "safe" action only. I have a many Glocks including a model 19. Stock I think the trigger pull is 4.5 pounds. I along with many Glock enthusiasts have modified my trigger pull. I installed a lighter trigger assembly and pin reducing my pull to 3.5 or so pounds.
I have carried my Glock 19 and 43 this way for years. Having a secure IWB holster with a rigid plastic guard over the trigger is all you need.
In my opinion " common sense albeit" there are two areas of concern carrying any gun with a live round in the chamber. Wither it is a SA, DA/SA, or DA only preventing negligent discharges is what we are all after. The two areas of concern would be pulling the trigger unintentionally or dropping the gun and discharging the weapon.
So lets discuss for simplicity sake the Glock 19 Double action only and the Sig P229 DA/SA. For ease of debate lets use the drop test. Everything I have read both the Glock 19 and Sig P229 cocked will not fire dropped unless the trigger is pulled on either gun.
Now lets discuss carrying these guns holstered, chambered and cocked. I think we can all agree now that neither of these guns will fire without the trigger being pulled. If you have a safe holster this will never be a problem; at least while the gun is holstered.
The only other areas of concern are when both guns are holstered or un-holstered. Here is where the rubber meets the road, and everybody sheepily following the flock.
Just because Glock has done a great job making us believe these are double action pistols, they in terms of safety are not.
Most Double Action guns have a 10lb trigger pull. In a concealed carry environment where we might holster and un-holster our guns a few times each day, this could add a large degree of safety.
In order to determine the Sig P229 unsafe because the gun is cocked, one would have to review the trigger pull weight. Because at this stage of the game this is the only safety margin either the Glock or the Sig have.
Even though the Glock is partially cocked it only takes between 3.5 and 4.5 pound of pull with a very short travel needed to make the Glock go boom. The Sig has a 4 to 4.5 pound trigger in SA mode. The Sig does is SA mode a slightly less trigger pull length, but a slightly higher trigger pull pound.
So one could argue carrying a Glock with a trigger job is less safe than carrying a cocked Sig P229 with a stock trigger.