Does anyone else here not use a holster? I thought about getting one but decided on just sticking it in my pants. I've seen it done many times and was wondering about the tactical advantage of carrying in waistband compared to IWB, OWB, ankle, etc... The only downsides so far of not using a holster is that I can't run without holding it, must take it out to do #2, and occasionally needs readjustment (But enhances self awareness). The upside is that it is easily accessible and and more concealable with less material to bulge. I was wondering how common this is because I haven't really read about it. Also I do it on a daily basis. I've done it with several firearms I have but find that it is easier with the snub.
Carrying in Waistband (No holster)
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riverrat66
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What tactical advantage ?
I think you would be doing yourself and everyone around you a big favor by getting an IWB holster before you lose or drop your firearm, at least that's my opinion.
Where have you seen it done, on television? I would think it would be awfully uncomfortable and dangerous. How do you carry it, against your skin and cover it with your shirt or do you wear two shirts in that warm climate? Aren't you worried that it will get caught on your clothing if you need to draw the weapon? You say it "occasionally needs readjustment" but enhances self awareness, that's like advertising that you're carrying a firearm. You also say "you can't run without holding it" what would you do if you ever got into a fight? Plus you said and I quote "I must take it out to do #2", I'm not even going to go there!
I think you would be doing yourself and everyone around you a big favor by getting an IWB holster before you lose or drop your firearm, at least that's my opinion.
Fireballqp
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what?
what are you running from(probably the cops)if pimpin' it all gangsta in da' waistband? lay off the A-team reruns.
what are you running from(probably the cops)if pimpin' it all gangsta in da' waistband? lay off the A-team reruns.
I initially carried my taurus 24/7 that way for a few weeks until I found an IWB holster that was comfortable enough to use. Most of the IWB holsters I found were too bulky for comfortable all day wear.
What I settled on was the Invisible agent by Desanti... http://www.desantisholster.com/005.html
Its almost like wearing nothing at all... (I sound like a condom advertisement!)
But depending on what type of gun you are carrying and how you size your clothes, carrying without a holster can work with the limitations you listed above. At least for me it did.
But then again, I was carrying openly which is legal here in VA.
What I settled on was the Invisible agent by Desanti... http://www.desantisholster.com/005.html
Its almost like wearing nothing at all... (I sound like a condom advertisement!)
But depending on what type of gun you are carrying and how you size your clothes, carrying without a holster can work with the limitations you listed above. At least for me it did.
But then again, I was carrying openly which is legal here in VA.I think you covered pretty well the reasons NOT to carry w/o a holster...weapon security being #1. Can't come up with any tactical reasons to do so. Seeing it done on TV or in the movies ain't really seeing it; other wise we would also be cocking our Glocks, firing our weapons when the slide is locked back, and racking out perfectly good rounds everytime we fire our pump shotguns.
I agree that a gun is much more secure in a holster, but people besides those on TV carry without holsters.
I was in a local gun shop here, looking at a Glock 19. The salesguy (part owner?) told me it was his and that it was great for concealed carry. He then proceeded to show me how he carried it - in the waistband without a holster. He then went on to say that he only carried it with 5 or 6 rounds to save on weight.
Just wanted to give some evidence that there are real people who carry without holsters.
I was in a local gun shop here, looking at a Glock 19. The salesguy (part owner?) told me it was his and that it was great for concealed carry. He then proceeded to show me how he carried it - in the waistband without a holster. He then went on to say that he only carried it with 5 or 6 rounds to save on weight.
Just wanted to give some evidence that there are real people who carry without holsters.
Garand Illusion
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Yup -- and go to any junk yard and you can see ample evidence that sometimes people drive drunk, while text messaging (real story from here recently that got a pedestrian killed) or in other stupid and dangerous ways for both themselves and others.
Carrying on a regular basis without a holster is right up there with the rest of these. Just plain stupid and dangerous for everyone.
If you "can't run without holding it, must take it out to do #2, and occasionally needs readjustment "
How can it possibly be easier to access.
You never know where the thing is going to be.
Easily accessing a weapon under pressure, takes much practice, believe it or not, to make it an instinctual movement.
This cannot be done unless the gun is in exactly the same place every time you access it.
The one thing that you call an upside is effectively eliminated by those that you admit are on the downside
(you can leave out the #2 complaint though, you sometime have to that with a good holster))
If you disable aspects of the weapon that make it effective, such as rounds and secure holsters, you are not using the gun to it's full potential so why have it when you can buy a light weight gun,at a cheaper price, that only holds 5 or 6 rounds and will fit in your pocket
How can it possibly be easier to access.
You never know where the thing is going to be.
Easily accessing a weapon under pressure, takes much practice, believe it or not, to make it an instinctual movement.
This cannot be done unless the gun is in exactly the same place every time you access it.
The one thing that you call an upside is effectively eliminated by those that you admit are on the downside
(you can leave out the #2 complaint though, you sometime have to that with a good holster))
And this didn't clue you in that he was somewhat less than bright.
If you disable aspects of the weapon that make it effective, such as rounds and secure holsters, you are not using the gun to it's full potential so why have it when you can buy a light weight gun,at a cheaper price, that only holds 5 or 6 rounds and will fit in your pocket
WOW ---
Here is a thread filled with bad ideas
Do some folks carry without a holster --- yes, Is it reccomended NO!!
Is it not compleatly reckless with a external safety gun like a 1911 or a S+W --- I would say no, not compleatly reckless, though again not reccomended as it's not as secure no matter how you stack it
Is it reccomended with a Glock ? Hell NO!! I get chills on the few occasons my G26 has worked it's way a little out of it's holster --- I think glock is a perfectly safe gun, however it is one that I cam more easily see having an indavertant trigger pull lead to a discharge, good holsters will prevent this.
Have I "carried" without a holster --- no, not outside the house, it's not secure enough for me, however I will admit to tucking my 1911 into my waistband a few times if I am up and about late at night and do not feel like putting the holster on yet have heard a "bump" outside in the night.
Carry a Glock with 5 rounds? Oh my god!! Like the gun is so heavy fully loaded? Man hope he never needs #7-15
Here is a thread filled with bad ideas
Do some folks carry without a holster --- yes, Is it reccomended NO!!
Is it not compleatly reckless with a external safety gun like a 1911 or a S+W --- I would say no, not compleatly reckless, though again not reccomended as it's not as secure no matter how you stack it
Is it reccomended with a Glock ? Hell NO!! I get chills on the few occasons my G26 has worked it's way a little out of it's holster --- I think glock is a perfectly safe gun, however it is one that I cam more easily see having an indavertant trigger pull lead to a discharge, good holsters will prevent this.
Have I "carried" without a holster --- no, not outside the house, it's not secure enough for me, however I will admit to tucking my 1911 into my waistband a few times if I am up and about late at night and do not feel like putting the holster on yet have heard a "bump" outside in the night.
Carry a Glock with 5 rounds? Oh my god!! Like the gun is so heavy fully loaded? Man hope he never needs #7-15
Garand Illusion
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so it's not COMPLETELY reckless, so that makes it OK?
"Yup, Honey, I'm just jamming my .45 into my waistband today without a holster. It's a little reckless and does raise the odds I'll accidentally shoot myself or one of the children, but what the hey ... 2nd amendment all the way!"
Saying it's ok to do something a little reckless is like saying following 3 out of the 4 gun safety rules is sufficient.
Do people carry without a holster? Yes, mostly criminals, but yes.
Do people drive drunk and accidentally kill other people and/or themselves? yes.
As a knowledgeable gun forum promoting responsible gun ownership and trying to train people, we need to all take a stand on crap like this. Because it's really simple:
Carrying without a holster is stupid and should not be done.
Now ... it's not like any of us at some point or the other haven't stuck a gun in our belt for some temporary purpose, like checking out the house; no big deal as for the brief period we're acutely aware of the weapon and where it is and being careful of it.
But planning to do it on a daily basis while doing your normal errands and running to Wal Mart just doesn't make sense.
You can get a functional holster for as little as $15 (though I woudln't recommend it) that will be better than nothing.
OneInTheChamber
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(taken from initial poster's signature) + homie style carry = :barf:
This is what can make TFL look bad. I can't understand the youthful admiration of gang members. In my opinion, TFL should not allow this type of discussion (relating to methods of gang banging; such as carrying "mexican" style); as it promotes a negative image of ALL firearms owners. See the "Raising the Bar at TFL" sticky.
So we should completely ignore all question that do not conform to what you consider proper content ?
There are many ignorant questions posed on these sites.
We are also here to dispell those myths intelligently, not by calling the member out and insulting him and portraying ALL gunowners as arrogant and narrow minded
Read the forum rules sticky
There are many ignorant questions posed on these sites.
We are also here to dispell those myths intelligently, not by calling the member out and insulting him and portraying ALL gunowners as arrogant and narrow minded
Read the forum rules sticky
As a 20 year veteran of CCW, I confidently carry certain S&W revolvers having rubber grips in "Mexican" fashion in front of the hip with no insecurity, shifting or discomfort at all.
Semiautomatic pistols are another story, but some DA wheelguns are quite stable in this manner of carry in spite of the lack of a holster, and are obviously quite safe and fast to draw as well.
Semiautomatic pistols are another story, but some DA wheelguns are quite stable in this manner of carry in spite of the lack of a holster, and are obviously quite safe and fast to draw as well.
OneInTheChamber
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Joab:
the $gAnGsTA(_;_)wOrLd$ thing portrays an image. What kind of an image to you think a "gangsta" is? TFL portrays an image to all people who read its topics, which includes non gun owners who will form opinions based on what they read. You wouldn't want them to associate all gun owners with gangs would you?
I have no problem with the freedom of speech. But we are fighting a battle to keep the 2nd ammendment alive, so we should watch what we say when using our 1st ammendment rights.
I'm not attacking the original poster; I'm commenting on the tendency of posts to slip towards the area that anti-gun people could read and form opinions on. Those opinions will affect how they vote. How they vote could determine whether or not the 2nd ammendment will hold any weight in the future. We have to "prove" to the United States in general that firearms are a good thing. Every little bit counts, as Capt. Charlie's signature states.
DerDer, I'm not attacking you, and I hope you didn't interpret it the same way Joab did. I understand many people have some sort of thing for the "gangsta" thing. I personally don't want anything to do with it; but I understand that thing does not make a person a gang banger.
--- Taken from the sticky "raising the bar at TFL...
--- taken from Capt. Charlie's (moderator) signature.
the $gAnGsTA(_;_)wOrLd$ thing portrays an image. What kind of an image to you think a "gangsta" is? TFL portrays an image to all people who read its topics, which includes non gun owners who will form opinions based on what they read. You wouldn't want them to associate all gun owners with gangs would you?
I have no problem with the freedom of speech. But we are fighting a battle to keep the 2nd ammendment alive, so we should watch what we say when using our 1st ammendment rights.
I'm not attacking the original poster; I'm commenting on the tendency of posts to slip towards the area that anti-gun people could read and form opinions on. Those opinions will affect how they vote. How they vote could determine whether or not the 2nd ammendment will hold any weight in the future. We have to "prove" to the United States in general that firearms are a good thing. Every little bit counts, as Capt. Charlie's signature states.
DerDer, I'm not attacking you, and I hope you didn't interpret it the same way Joab did. I understand many people have some sort of thing for the "gangsta" thing. I personally don't want anything to do with it; but I understand that thing does not make a person a gang banger.
Texas9000s
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I too agree wholeheartedly with the opion that carrying a gun without a holster is like having unprotected sex. While most of the time nothing bad will happen, it's the "what if" that worries me. I belive the advice of "not reccomending.." a $15 holster was that a quality holster should be used, but a cheap one is somewhat better than nothing.
As for the original poster's sig, while that type of language would be fine on most internet forums, we HAVE set a higher standard because we are under a microscope with the subject matter involved.
Just my .02
As for the original poster's sig, while that type of language would be fine on most internet forums, we HAVE set a higher standard because we are under a microscope with the subject matter involved.
Just my .02
Give me a break OIC
The guy asked a question, it is being answered responsibly without blatant insults by most members.
How is this hurting the SA movement in any way.
On the other hand how does driving off new members instead of encouraging them to stick around and get educated help us.
If he takes the advice and reasoning given he will not spread this misinformation to others.
Others who are lurking here will also learn without having to expose themselves to the embarrassment of belittling insults
And a quote from a man that stated publicly that he enjoyed killing and thought he was a reincarnated roman soldier
Your over the top and out of line on this one
The guy asked a question, it is being answered responsibly without blatant insults by most members.
How is this hurting the SA movement in any way.
On the other hand how does driving off new members instead of encouraging them to stick around and get educated help us.
If he takes the advice and reasoning given he will not spread this misinformation to others.
Others who are lurking here will also learn without having to expose themselves to the embarrassment of belittling insults
You think this little bit of irreverent gallows humor couldn't offend some or portray a shoot em all cowboy attitude.
And a quote from a man that stated publicly that he enjoyed killing and thought he was a reincarnated roman soldier
Your over the top and out of line on this one
To answer the question as it was asked, putting aside all the uncalled-for
"B.S.", yes, I often carry a handgun in my waistband, no holster.
If I know I am going to be in a situation where a holster may be
necessary, I will use one. And I have many. Belt holsters, IWB
holsters, paddle holsters, belly-bands, etc. But if I'm going to the
grocery store to pick up a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread, I don't
think twice about sticking my Colt Series 70, or my CZ RAMI inside
my waistband, and 'truckin' on'.
I stick my pistol at about "3:30" on my hipbone, and the tension of my belt
just seems to keep it where it needs to be. I have carried everything
from a S&W Model 36, to a Colt .45 auto there, and they all seem to
work perfectly well.
I fully realize this stance isn't "politically correct" in the "Gun Experts'
Opinion", but then, they don't have to worry about protecting my
butt. I do, and I do what is best for me, critics be damned.
Walter
"B.S.", yes, I often carry a handgun in my waistband, no holster.
If I know I am going to be in a situation where a holster may be
necessary, I will use one. And I have many. Belt holsters, IWB
holsters, paddle holsters, belly-bands, etc. But if I'm going to the
grocery store to pick up a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread, I don't
think twice about sticking my Colt Series 70, or my CZ RAMI inside
my waistband, and 'truckin' on'.
I stick my pistol at about "3:30" on my hipbone, and the tension of my belt
just seems to keep it where it needs to be. I have carried everything
from a S&W Model 36, to a Colt .45 auto there, and they all seem to
work perfectly well.
I fully realize this stance isn't "politically correct" in the "Gun Experts'
Opinion", but then, they don't have to worry about protecting my
butt. I do, and I do what is best for me, critics be damned.
Walter
Capt. Charlie
Moderator Emeritus
OneInTheChamber has valid concerns, and I appreciate his concern. But while I find DerDer's sigline somewhat distasteful, it isn't a blatant declaration of gang activity. Until he posts suggesting something to clearly indicate his interests lie in that direction, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
It does concern me that we might be coaching gangsta's, but, as the saying goes, I'd rather see ten guilty men go free, rather than see one innocent man condemned.
DerDer, I would ask you to reconsider your sig line, but at this point, I'm asking only. The ball's in your court.
It does concern me that we might be coaching gangsta's, but, as the saying goes, I'd rather see ten guilty men go free, rather than see one innocent man condemned.
DerDer, I would ask you to reconsider your sig line, but at this point, I'm asking only. The ball's in your court.
Unbelievable
I'm sure if we look just a little we can find some sigs here that perfectly fit the stereotype of the guntotin redneck that some seem to be wanting to represent this site.
I read one just the other day that hinted at how much fun it was to watch folks fall down the stairs.
Now is that really the image we want to portray to those oh so ignorant lurkers who may drop by.
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