Carry without safety?

Maybe this will help clear some things up
...from the Taurus forum

This applies to the mil pro (3rd generation pistols only)

Trigger is SA/DA, NOT DAO or DA/SA. Distinction is that the striker stays cocked and the first and subsequent rounds are fired with a short (after initial takeup) light and very crisp trigger pull. Should the slide then not cycle, the striker reverts to double action mode allowing a second (or more) strike on the primer. (Clears most FTF's in case of hard to ignite primers). Once the slide cycles again it's back to SA mode. Can be carried "cocked and locked" with the downward sweeping manual safety. Also has an internal trigger safety.
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I thought the pistol was "half cocked" like G Man 26, but it's not. :o
 
I have and carry the PT-111PRO. It is SA with a DA second strike. With practice, I have been able to draw and release the safety in one motion. It does take practice as with any action that requires muscle memory. I do not find it any more or less difficult than doing it with a 1911. It could be the size of our hands or the grip we use that differs. For me it works great.
 
Ok, I guess I got that one wrong. Sorry. I need to revisit the manual on the one I had, I was sure that was the terminology used. Still, don' tell the Glock boys I said I was wrong.:D

I would not carry it without the safety on in any case. If you do, leave the round out of the chamber. If "cocked" or "half cocked", the trigger is fairly light and could cause a problem. :(
 
The way this stryker fired pistol is set up internally, it is perfectly safe to carry without the manual safety engaged. The pistol will not fire without a deliberate and somewhat long squeeze of the trigger for the first shot.

ranburr
 
The current PT___ series should definitely be viewed as SA with restrike capability. the internals have a sear mechanisim that holds the hammer fully cocked, the safety also keeps the slide from moving out of battery and the pin block from moving. The "putting the first round 6' in front of me" issue was from older DA/SA models.
That said, use the safety. While the take-up is long due to the restrike capability, it is nearly weightless.
If the gun is new both the safety and the takedown pin will be snug. 50 or so "draw and unsafety" drills will cure that as well as get your thumb in gear. I confessed to a friend last month that one day I came home and unholstered it (normally it stays in the holster) for the night. In the morning when I was getting dressed, I found the safety was off ! Point of the story, practice and the drawing and clicking the safety off will become a subconcsios action.
 
All of the Mil Pro PT__ guns are striker fired. The 1st & 2nd gen guns were DAO and were as safe as a Glock to carry with safety off. (the striker was not cocked) As has been said the 3rd gen guns are cocked and as such should be treated as any cocked single action would be. The "long trigger" pull is a bunch of takeup at 0 lbs. of presure followed by a short 5-6 lb. SA pull.

I've got 3 Mil Pro's (3rd gen) and had 3 of the 2nd gen guns. As a DAO (2nd gen) I never had a problem with carrying safety off but I would not consider carrying the new guns (3rd gen) with safety off.

There it is clear as mud.
Dallas Jack
 

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Model 1911 - safety off, hammer down. It's far easier to thumb back the hammer than to try to scrinch my thumb up to the safety lever.

No real solution about it ejecting its empties into my face, though. At least my glasses keep the brass out of my eyes.

- Dave (left-handed)
 
Model 1911 - safety off, hammer down. It's far easier to thumb back the hammer than to try to scrinch my thumb up to the safety lever
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I would hazard to guess that this is perfectly safe to carry modern 1911's this way if they have firing pin safeties.
 
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