I agree. These forums tell me that it is dangerous to carry my S&W 640 in my pocket with out a holster but I have done so for 13 years. I think the odds of pulling that heavy trigger are extremely slim on an empty pocket... much less pulling it twice to get to an actual round. I have never had it even go to the next round and I carry the first chamber with a snap cap just to be safe. Sure its only 4 rounds but I do carry a reload. The only problems with this I personally have ever heard of are with automatics.
Carry without a holster
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I agree. These forums tell me that it is dangerous to carry my S&W 640 in my pocket with out a holster but I have done so for 13 years. I think the odds of pulling that heavy trigger are extremely slim on an empty pocket... much less pulling it twice to get to an actual round. I have never had it even go to the next round and I carry the first chamber with a snap cap just to be safe. Sure its only 4 rounds but I do carry a reload. The only problems with this I personally have ever heard of are with automatics.
Bill DeShivs
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Glocks should have that silly trigger covered. People shoot themselves quite often with Glocks.
S/A autos? You figure it out......
S/A autos? You figure it out......
The key word in that sentence is "people". The Glocks didnt shoot them without their help.
The guns themselves are actually quite safe, its the people running them that tend to be the problem.
Ive actually made the effort to do so (for my own benefit), and so far, the Glocks, and the other SA's Ive used/tried, have yet to go off, unless the triggers were intentionally pulled.
If you use a little common sense, and youre reasonable in how you handle the gun, not having a holster isnt that big a deal.
Even when you mistreat them and do things contrary to the above, it still takes work to get that trigger to drop.
Bill DeShivs
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I agree that people are the problem.
Some guns are more prone to ND than others.
Some guns are more prone to ND than others.
MashieNiblick
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large dogs like to jump up and punch front pocket guns with their front paws
no, not all dogs, just some
and don't ask me how they know it is there and it is a gun
just intuitively something harmless that they shouldn't do sometimes
that's why i always use one of these and don't carry Mexican:
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Pocket-Holster,82,34.htm
no, not all dogs, just some
and don't ask me how they know it is there and it is a gun
just intuitively something harmless that they shouldn't do sometimes
that's why i always use one of these and don't carry Mexican:
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Pocket-Holster,82,34.htm
Bill, please.
I politely asked you a question because I don't understand where you're coming from on this.
1. Glocks have one of, if not THE, safest triggers in the industry. What is "silly" about it that is so dangerous in your mind? Shouldn't you notify the engineers at Glock so they can be made aware of this problem that you've discovered?
2. Can you cite ANY source for us that shows or backs up your "People shoot themselves quite often with Glocks" claim? What info do you have on this? More people will shoot themselves with a Glock than any other brand? Or is it just a rash of people just shooting themselvs because they are holding a Glock? The pocket carriers shoot themselves "quite often"? Where did you read the statistical break-down of Glock mishaps vs other pistol mishaps? Is Glock facing a class-action law suit because of all these self-inflicted shootings?
3. The "you figure it out" part.....classy. Please, let's keep this civil.
As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, many people have been carrying handguns in their pockets SAFLEY for years with no mishaps. Whenever I carry a pistol in my pocket, the pocket is always deep and with a nice snug fit. The gun doesn't move around a lot. Very extensive training has also helped the guys I know carry their pistols this way for years & years without any problem. The ones who do carry handguns in a pocket all know never to have their finger on the trigger when removing the handgun from a pocket, a holster or a drawer. That's just basic gun handling 101.
And how did this get turned into another Glock bash anyway? A Glock will not fire off a round unless the trigger is depressed thru three saftey steps. Unless the trigger is squeezed, its impossible to shoot it. So if "people" are shooting themselves, it's not the pistols fault.
Bill DeShivs
New member
Glocks have a very short trigger travel. The neat little pivoting "safety" is easily overcome when anything gets in the trigger guard.
Plaxico Burris comes to mind.....
Single action guns are easily discharged if the safety gets moved.
That said, I have carried single action guns in my pocket. I currently carry a D/A gun in my pocket.
I have never carried a Glock, but am pretty familiar with the firing mechanism.
Plaxico Burris comes to mind.....
Single action guns are easily discharged if the safety gets moved.
That said, I have carried single action guns in my pocket. I currently carry a D/A gun in my pocket.
I have never carried a Glock, but am pretty familiar with the firing mechanism.
MashieNiblick
Moderator
new thought:
- safe for fat bellies to carry hammered revolvers Mexican front and center
- fat of belly ensures hammer will not be cocked. . . .
- safe for fat bellies to carry hammered revolvers Mexican front and center
- fat of belly ensures hammer will not be cocked. . . .
Sure you can ..... Right, Plaxico?
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...ss+PSA+parody&FROM=LKVR5>1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR1
I do carry without a holster, but only for informal shooting here on our farm. See pic below of a N. Vaquero in .45 LC...I do like that 4-5/8" barrel for just that reason...I also carry a 4-1/4" Colt Combat Commander in the same manner and for the same purpose...informal shooting on our farm.
For CC, I use a close to the body holster of my own make; a copy of the old Tom Threepersons open top for my S&W M-36 with 3" barrel, or my wife's 1-7/8" S&W M-637.
Here's a cpl of pics. Rodfac
For CC, I use a close to the body holster of my own make; a copy of the old Tom Threepersons open top for my S&W M-36 with 3" barrel, or my wife's 1-7/8" S&W M-637.
Here's a cpl of pics. Rodfac
Straightshooter629
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I am not a fan of pocket carry, and would advise against ever carrying with out a holster, but I only carry full size guns.
It takes nothing more to be safe, than to handle it "safely", just like anything else.
With any of them, if you dont have familiarity, experience and training with them, then the gun has nothing to do with the result, other than just being there to get blamed.
I know people personally who have had, and I have personally seen more mishaps and unintended discharges with 1911's than Ive seen with Glocks (Ive actually yet to see one with a Glock and I know a number of people who carry them).
Ive watched a buddy put a .38 from his S&W 36 through the wall unit, across the hall, and into the fridge. He swore it was empty, and swore he checked it, and pulled the trigger to prove it.
He was sober too. We all know how safe revolvers are supposed to be.If youre afraid of the gun, then dont get one. Get something youre comfortable with, are willing to take the time to learn, and be proficient with. If you have no experience with one to make a valid statement, then please dont just pass on more "I heards". They just seem to get a life of their own and before you know it, things like Glocks will be running in packs attacking every idjit in the area without warning and anyone even handling them, and.....oh.... wait, never mind.
I am not afraid of the gun. It just isnt for me. Dont take it personally. I have shot them, they shoot just fine. Just not my cup of tea.
I know the family of the baby was in that car, it was a glock, he did shoot himself wit hit, you can read about it in the Omaha World Herald it isnt I heard, it is I know, as I said I stay away from glock owners, they are like beemer folks. Crazy and get angry if you dont fall down and worship the glock or BMW they prefer.
I been shooting way before glocks ever came on teh scene. I shoot my cousins (LEO) just fine. I dont like the trigger safety thingy and why should I learn it when I learned the 1911 just fine? Use what you want, dont go telling others what they need to use or learn.
I doubt they will "pack up" and go after anything, you have a vivid imagination.
Takes a bit more care to carry one in the chamber, therefore I belive that type of gun isnt for everyone. You dont agree?
The guy shot himself in the video was nervous and did it wrong. Not cause he was not familiar with it, first time in front of a camera and class of kids.
Guy in sweat pants grabbed the gun by the trigger and it went off, wont happen with my 1911s.
Naaa, not all of them. All the different "things" have their faithful, some more zealous than others. You can fall down and worship anything you like, just dont start preaching to me, if all you have is "storybook" learning.
Ive been an active disciple of "most" types of handguns (and other things), and all of them were carnied with a live round in the chamber (well, not the open bolt SMG's
), and so far, Ive yet to have a problem, holster or no holster.You do what you want. I personally like to be as reasonably well versed in as many things as I can, just for the sake of knowledge and versatility. Just knowing, and being able to shoot only one trigger type seems very limiting to me. Kind of like only being able to drive an automatic transmission.
Im not telling you or anyone to use a Glock, Im simply saying that from actual personal use, they arent as scary as you would have us believe, if youre reasonably prudent in your handling of the gun. If your actual handling experience says otherwise, I'd be interested in hearing that.
Not really. Whos to say what gun is for who? Any gun is a bad idea for someone who is unwilling to learn how to properly use it. If youve taken the time to learn the gun, and proved to yourself that it isnt going to be a problem, then carrying with a round in the chamber is no more dangerous than anything else.
If youre reasonably prudent in how you handle the gun, even without a holster, its not a big deal. If you cant be reasonably prudent, then you probably shouldnt be carrying anything.
Dont bet on it. Over the years, I had a couple of NIB 1911's that had non functioning grip safeties, right out of the box. I carried a 1911 daily for around 25+ years, and found the thumb safety was swept off at some point during the day, on a pretty frequent and regular basis, and that was often in a holster with a sweat guard.
I think a lot of the super safety people place to much faith in those little mechanical devices. In the case above, the boy in the sweat pants was the lowest common denominator in that equation. It could have easily been a 1911, or any of the other "safe" autos that had their super safe thingie swept off while doing the sweat pant shuffle. The gun itself didnt pull the trigger, and as much as I think of it, I cant think of one case where one ever did.
Edward429451
Moderator
That would be correct. One need only be 10% smarter than the gun to be safe. I carried my glock a little more carefully with one in the pipe at first but that is just a mental thing, and I soon got over it. Finger out of the triggerguard, good holster, the four rules...it's all pretty basic. Nothing differs from glock carry than my 1911 in condition one.
I think most people just do not learn the weapon(s) as they should. The guy in the sweatpants would have shot himself with any other gun too. I think thier wives make them put the gun away and they can take it out once a summer. There is no safety in ignorance.
OK try this, hand a person an empty gun, see what happens. I do this all the time, most if not all grab the gun and put their finger in the trigger guard, a person will do this when unholstering the thing and bang you got a AD. I have read about this, have seen these guns, have shot them, owned one years ago and sold it. Had a p95 decocker, sold it, no safety. It isnt the trigger, it is lack of a safety I dont like.
I used to shoot revolvers in the 70s cause them semis jammed up, but times have changed and shooting my BILs 1911s 30 years ago made me like them, I try others but always go back to that gun. I dont own any revolvers today.
Now go experiment, and when you can get everyone to not do that, well I will recant my take and say yes it is for everyone.
Whats this got to do with "Any gun is a bad idea for someone who is unwilling to learn how to properly use it.", other than to prove the point?
Most of the people I would hand a gun to, I could hand it to them loaded, and without worry, including my kids when they were about 5 years old.
I used to shoot a lot of revolvers back then too (still shoot them a lot today too), but my autos didnt seem to have the troubles yours did. They ran fine then too.
I dont care if you recant it or not, do what you want. My point is, your statement applies to any gun, if the person handling it doenst take the time to learn the gun properly. None of this is about "the gun", regardless what kind it is (unless its malfunctioning). Its all about "the weakest link".