Since the new titanium lightweight snubs came out, I've been wondering if a good defensive system can be worked out carrying TWO of them, with no other gun. This would be for the civilian with a permit, who has to walk in areas where robbery is a concern. Range would be close enough for snub accuracy and .38 energy. 10-shot potential with no revolver reload. Reliability and retention. My first inclination would be hammerless guns. Does anyone have opinions about this possibility and how it might be set up? Thanks. TLR
Carry TWO Snubs...?
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RazorsEdge
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I think it's feasible. I 've heard of one guy who thought that carrying two SP-101's was trey cool.
You got two hand access, wich is not a bad tactical concept.
The only downside is that if you use IWB carry, you gotta have room for TWO cylinders. Room inside my jeans remains at a premium.
You got two hand access, wich is not a bad tactical concept.
The only downside is that if you use IWB carry, you gotta have room for TWO cylinders. Room inside my jeans remains at a premium.
Dave Williams
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I've thought about this also. Strong side, either IWB or OWB, for access when on foot, and another on an ankle, for seated access. I prefer the 442, however. $200 cheaper, 2 ounces heavier, blued, and can shoot 158gr LSWCHP +P. I think this concept has something going for it.
Dave
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Ludwig,
Yeah, sounds like a good concept. I was pondering purchasing a slightly used S&W Model 13 3" HB yesterday when I saw another 642 in the case (I've already got one from that shop) and it reminded me of a dream I had some months ago. I heard a 'bump in the night," went downstairs into the kitchen, surprised a burglar coming through the garage door into the kitchen, and I raised not one but TWO 642's in his direction! Yes, 10 rounds, no reload, firing simultaneously. My only thought is it would take a lot of practice. Best Wishes, LBC
Yeah, sounds like a good concept. I was pondering purchasing a slightly used S&W Model 13 3" HB yesterday when I saw another 642 in the case (I've already got one from that shop) and it reminded me of a dream I had some months ago. I heard a 'bump in the night," went downstairs into the kitchen, surprised a burglar coming through the garage door into the kitchen, and I raised not one but TWO 642's in his direction! Yes, 10 rounds, no reload, firing simultaneously. My only thought is it would take a lot of practice. Best Wishes, LBC
I think the 442 is a great gun. Probably what my snubs would be. Probably three 442s...one to wear out practicing.
One thing I was thinking about this 2-gun setup is one in a jacket pocket, no pocket holster, with your hand on the gun if you are sensing danger. A hammerless will come out fast. Also, some people say you can shoot through your pocket, worst case. NEVER TRIED THIS. DOSEN'T SOUND ENTIRELY SAFE. But I've read articles by people who claim to have done it.
Good idea about the ankle holster for when you are seated. L
One thing I was thinking about this 2-gun setup is one in a jacket pocket, no pocket holster, with your hand on the gun if you are sensing danger. A hammerless will come out fast. Also, some people say you can shoot through your pocket, worst case. NEVER TRIED THIS. DOSEN'T SOUND ENTIRELY SAFE. But I've read articles by people who claim to have done it.
Good idea about the ankle holster for when you are seated. L
David Scott
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Bell Charter Oak makes a holster for two snubbies; it's called the New York Reload model.
http://bellcharteroakholsters.com/
http://bellcharteroakholsters.com/
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PreserveFreedom
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Why limit yourself to 10 rounds? If you carried a pair of Taurus 617's, you would not only have 14 rounds of 357 Magnum, but you could be ultra cool. 
A lot of good input here. Taurus would be my second choice, or maybe first choice of you want titanium and porting and a lockable, exposed hammer. I tried talking a woman into that kind of Taurus the other day -- she was trading in a lightly used S&W 640 because she didn't like the "long" trigger pull associated with the concealed hammer version. So, she was set on an exposed hammer she could thumb-cock for "practice target shooting," even though she's aware she'll never cock the hammer in a gunfight, and the exposed hammer is more likely to snag 
She was also looking at a Kahr P9, which is an awesome little gun, but I don't know much about its track record yet.
Anyway, to answer your question about 642 vs. 442, I chose the stainless because of its superior rust resistance. But don't forget, Vanessa Williams carried a 442 in "Eraser" with Arnold Schwarzaneggar, and it looked pretty nice in her hands... LBC
She was also looking at a Kahr P9, which is an awesome little gun, but I don't know much about its track record yet. Anyway, to answer your question about 642 vs. 442, I chose the stainless because of its superior rust resistance. But don't forget, Vanessa Williams carried a 442 in "Eraser" with Arnold Schwarzaneggar, and it looked pretty nice in her hands...
LBCFiring from inside pocket...
Ludwig,
One of the upsides of reading lots of gun magazines is that you eventually read about almost any subject one might mention.
Someone (forgot who) did an article on this many years ago. In short, you can do it, but plan on your garment catching fire, or at least beginning to smoulder. If you ever saw "Tombstone" with Kurt Russell, watch the scene where Curly Bill Brocius (Powers Boothe) shoots Fred White, the town Marshall. It's a CLOSE range shot (maybe 12") and White's shirt catches fire and starts smoking. This is what you should expect.
Ludwig,
One of the upsides of reading lots of gun magazines is that you eventually read about almost any subject one might mention.
Someone (forgot who) did an article on this many years ago. In short, you can do it, but plan on your garment catching fire, or at least beginning to smoulder. If you ever saw "Tombstone" with Kurt Russell, watch the scene where Curly Bill Brocius (Powers Boothe) shoots Fred White, the town Marshall. It's a CLOSE range shot (maybe 12") and White's shirt catches fire and starts smoking. This is what you should expect.
That's what I thought. Smoldering coat. They said the bullets were not deflected much....that they tended to hit a little low. Ayoob has written about it, but nowhere at length that I ever saw. Just a few words here and there.
I think a pocket to be used for the last resort would need some design attention - fireproof material, easily pierced, no seams, retains the gun, pointable, and so on. L
I think a pocket to be used for the last resort would need some design attention - fireproof material, easily pierced, no seams, retains the gun, pointable, and so on. L
Snubbie - adequate for most self defense encounters.
NY reload - fastest.
Shrouded hammer - only way to go for in pocket firing.
Flaming pockets - test this, shoot through some rags or other material, regardless of speculation and movies, I've not been able to ignite cloth with a smokeless powder load.
Per Marshal and Sanow best and most proven load in 2" .38 is still the old FBI round: 158gr LSWHP +P http://www.evanmarshall.com/towert/stoppingpowerfigures.htm
Be safe,
Bentley
"The defence of one's self, justly called the primary law of nature, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law."
--- James Wilson, Wilson, Of the Natural Rights of Individuals, in 2 The Works of James Wilson 335 (J.D. Andrews ed. 1896). [from a series of lectures given between 1790 and 1792]
NY reload - fastest.
Shrouded hammer - only way to go for in pocket firing.
Flaming pockets - test this, shoot through some rags or other material, regardless of speculation and movies, I've not been able to ignite cloth with a smokeless powder load.
Per Marshal and Sanow best and most proven load in 2" .38 is still the old FBI round: 158gr LSWHP +P http://www.evanmarshall.com/towert/stoppingpowerfigures.htm
Be safe,
Bentley
"The defence of one's self, justly called the primary law of nature, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law."
--- James Wilson, Wilson, Of the Natural Rights of Individuals, in 2 The Works of James Wilson 335 (J.D. Andrews ed. 1896). [from a series of lectures given between 1790 and 1792]
Ludwig,
Are you planning on shooting both snub guns at once a la` Last Man Standing?
Don't forget you are responsible for ever round you fire. Drawing two handguns and hip shooting them doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Have you tried this at the range? My guess is one would make a lot of noise and get poor hits/misses.
If you intend to use one snub to be a primary and then going for another snub for a NY reload that is a sound tactic. Why not just use a higher capacity primary?
Are you planning on shooting both snub guns at once a la` Last Man Standing?
Don't forget you are responsible for ever round you fire. Drawing two handguns and hip shooting them doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Have you tried this at the range? My guess is one would make a lot of noise and get poor hits/misses.
If you intend to use one snub to be a primary and then going for another snub for a NY reload that is a sound tactic. Why not just use a higher capacity primary?
True that it's easy to miss with a snub. I've used a 442 for several years and it takes constant practice to stay good with it. I also shoot a 640. Concern about missed shots is an important part of deciding whether to use a snub, and most people just don't have time to practice the required amount.
I carry a Glock 19 IWB, but it seems it could never be at the ready the way a hammerless snub in a windbreaker pocket can be, with your hand already on the gun, no pocket holster, walking down the street in a bad area in broad daylight. But you have to be really good with it. Just my opinion. L
I carry a Glock 19 IWB, but it seems it could never be at the ready the way a hammerless snub in a windbreaker pocket can be, with your hand already on the gun, no pocket holster, walking down the street in a bad area in broad daylight. But you have to be really good with it. Just my opinion. L