<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Remember one thing it matters not at 5 yards weather you pop someone with #6 or 00 or a slug the energy is all in one spot, a .223 may do the same but it will certainly penetrate much more than the #6 shot.[/quote]
Energy does not cause incapacitating wounds. "Energy Dump" is a myth, and is not in itself a factor in wounding, though it does cause the large temporary cavity found in high velocity rifle wounds. What the bullet and it's interaction with the target tissue (penetration, fragmenting, expansion, shattering bone, etc.)do to critical structures is all that matters.
The buck that you describe being hit in the shoulder bone probably suffered much greater wounds because the slug probably shattered the bone creating secondary missiles, and went into near immediate shock. I guarantee you it was not actually brain dead for at least 10-15 seconds. The smaller doe you describe demonstrates my point about not being able to stop anything quickly and reliably with any kind of gun. It lost both lungs and had a damaged heart, but was able to run 70 yards because it still had oxygen in the blood for a short period of time. People work the same way, like the lil black shirted chaps you describe.
As far as knocking someone back, that's a function of momentum (mass*velocity) and not energy. A .223 has a lot of energy (mass*velocity^2), but not nearly as much momentum as a 12 ga slug, so it won't knock anything over. Shooting a solid steel plate is not a valid comparison, as that is a perfectly elastic collision, whereas a slug hitting even an armored person transfers its momentum over a much longer period of time and space. People also react differently and less consistently than steel plates. Will it drive an armored person back? I can't say for sure because there are so many other variables, but I would not rely on this "stun" effect to save my life. Stunning someone does not stop them from getting back up and shooting at you again. And a slug is also a HUGE overpenetration risk compared to a .223 or a pistol caliber.
Energy does not cause incapacitating wounds. "Energy Dump" is a myth, and is not in itself a factor in wounding, though it does cause the large temporary cavity found in high velocity rifle wounds. What the bullet and it's interaction with the target tissue (penetration, fragmenting, expansion, shattering bone, etc.)do to critical structures is all that matters.
The buck that you describe being hit in the shoulder bone probably suffered much greater wounds because the slug probably shattered the bone creating secondary missiles, and went into near immediate shock. I guarantee you it was not actually brain dead for at least 10-15 seconds. The smaller doe you describe demonstrates my point about not being able to stop anything quickly and reliably with any kind of gun. It lost both lungs and had a damaged heart, but was able to run 70 yards because it still had oxygen in the blood for a short period of time. People work the same way, like the lil black shirted chaps you describe.
As far as knocking someone back, that's a function of momentum (mass*velocity) and not energy. A .223 has a lot of energy (mass*velocity^2), but not nearly as much momentum as a 12 ga slug, so it won't knock anything over. Shooting a solid steel plate is not a valid comparison, as that is a perfectly elastic collision, whereas a slug hitting even an armored person transfers its momentum over a much longer period of time and space. People also react differently and less consistently than steel plates. Will it drive an armored person back? I can't say for sure because there are so many other variables, but I would not rely on this "stun" effect to save my life. Stunning someone does not stop them from getting back up and shooting at you again. And a slug is also a HUGE overpenetration risk compared to a .223 or a pistol caliber.