Can You Believe This?!?!

I just wrote him a nice email and would encourage others to let him know how much you approve of his personal crusade to make our information public knowledge

Mr. Trejbal,

I know the list of concealed permit holders has been taken down but you sir, are an idiot for putting it up in the first place. Furthermore, it is impossible to retract that information since it has already been published. In that sense, you have done irreperable damage and put in risk a good number of people.

People must go through criminal background checks, a class on laws pertaining to concealed carry, and get finger printed by the police to get their permits. I'm sure these permit holders are your everyday, run of the mill criminal. Think of all the gun owners who legally own guns that don't have a carry permit. How are you going to expose them?

What business is it of yours to make ones decision to exercise their right to carry under Virginia law public information to anyone who wants to pick up the newspaper? If an employer wanted to check, that is their perogative. Even so, the perspective employee should not be discriminated against just because he or she has decided to get a concealed carry permit. As long as they do not violate their company's policies on weapons, there should be no issues.

You choose to drive. That is a right given to you by the state. How about we list everyone's names, driver's license numbers, addresses, and driving history. After all, many more people are killed in auto accidents than by guns. What about we list all of McDonald's employees since they are a leading contributor to childhood obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Your editor is an idiot for letting you publish the information and I hope that both you and him realize the impact of your actions.
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Hi email address (provided he hasn't lost his job already) is: christian.trejbal@roanoke.com
 
In the long run, I'd say this publication will result in a net positive. Now that everybody knows just how easily their information can be obtained, perhaps that can be changed.
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Very true but the main point is it was a liberal elitist journalist that published the names of those exercising a legal right out of sheer spite and hysteria. He should lose his job. If anyone is harmed by this then he should be sued in civil court.
 
Very true but the main point is it was a liberal elitist journalist that published the names of those exercising a legal right out of sheer spite and hysteria. He should lose his job. If anyone is harmed by this then he should be sued in civil court.
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See, and I say that if anybody is harmed by this the State of Virginia should be sued in civil court. What does it matter who requested the info an released it? Or why? The State of Virginia required this information in order for its citizens to exercise their second amendment rights. The State of Virginia then failed to properly safeguard that information to keep it from being used to do harm to its citizens.

The State of Virginia has (or most definitely should have) an obligation to protect its citizens, or more specifically in this case its concealed weapons permitholders. At the very least to protect the info on them it has gathered. Trejbal had and has no such obligation.

So I think the main point isn't that some "liberal elitist journalist" was able to gather and publish this information. It's that he was even able to do so without breaking any laws in the process.

Seriously, reading the story he mentions that he saved money by instead allowing them to simply give him a slightly outdated copy of this list they had prepared for somebody else recently. Who? Who else is walking in and buying this information?

Ya'll can focus your Righteous Republican Anger(TM) at this guy all day (and I'll agree, as I said before, he is definitely a douchebag) but as far as I'm concerned you're missing the much larger problem here.
 
What an imperious response.
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ya like? perhaps if we spent a little more time worrying about things that matter in life as opposed to worrying about what newspaper jerkoffs say or do we would be better off.

PS criminals dont read the paper

WildidonteitherAlaska
 
"What an imperious response."

Not surprising from our buddy Wild Alaska, actually.

"worrying about things that matter in life"

Funny, I'd think that someone publishing something freely available to anyone with a computer saying, in essence, "THIS GUY HAS GUNS, AND HERE'S HIS ADDRESS," is something that matters in life.

You hang a sign on your front door saying "I'M A GUN DEALER, AND I HAVE GUNS IN THE HOUSE"?
 
Hey Mike, guess what, somebody wants to know if I have guns and my adress, more power to them. I'll post it here :)

Hell, if you beleive the criminals, they avoid houses with guns anyway. maybe Im just jaded, everyone here has them :)

regardless, permits for pistols are public records in many jurisdictions, including NY and Texas?

Wild3934spenardroadanchoragealaska99517wantmyphonenumbertoo?Alaska
 
Hell, if you beleive the criminals, they avoid houses with guns anyway. maybe Im just jaded, everyone here has them
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Same up here...but I imagine that there are many parts of Virginia where this might actually be an issue.

regardless, permits for pistols are public records in many jurisdictions, including NY and Texas?
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The question being...should they be?
 
Nonsense

PS criminals dont read the paper
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Au contraire.

Wedding announcements, wakes and the social pages (remember when they used to gossip about when the local beautiful people went on trips?) are a tremendous source of information.

What BETTER way to know exactly when people WON'T be home and, in the case of newlyweds, when the house will be full of expensive, new presents?

Oh - firearms licensing info is expressly EXCLUDED from the definition of "public records" in my state.
 
I for one, don’t think “public records” should be made public; there is a big difference between records open to the public and being made available to the public without ones own particular desire to make the effort to inquire about a public record.

Not one person would be interested in my own public records, but if published, it might create an interest where one had not previously existed.
 
ya like? perhaps if we spent a little more time worrying about things that matter in life as opposed to worrying about what newspaper jerkoffs say or do we would be better off.

PS criminals dont read the paper
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Wanna bet?

Tell that to the two people who have already heard from ex-spouses and now have to relocate yet again. In one case, the victim had recently moved, but her ex showed up yelling and kicking at the door. Hopefully he's now the guest of the local sheriffs.

I'm sure there are others in the same predicament who are more focused on relocating than publicizing it. In one case, a permit holder had already moved and indicated the folks living at his former address were now potentially at risk.

Here locally, every few years, cops arrest some enterprising BG's who peruse funeral notices and rob houses on the day of funeral services -- how cold is that? A local rapist was using divorce notices and the phone book to locate women who were alone. Fortunately some women own Rottweilers. :D

We don't need the newspapers giving the BG's ideas on how to obtain lists of people to rob or assault. Or give them ideas on how to find someone they're looking to murder.
 
About 15 years ago in central Pennsylvania there was a rash of thefts across a several county area.

Coincidentally, all of these incidents coincided with a funeral or viewing.

The thieves were reading the obits and hitting the houses where the deceased lived. In several cases they made off with some pretty valuable stuff.

They were finally caught when people started getting house sitters. One of the house sitters surprised them in the act and managed to get a description and a license number, IIRC.

When my Grandfather died in 1996 we had a business associate of his stay at the house during the viewing and services. I stayed in the house the next couple of nights. Grandpa was very well known in town and word of his death got out well before it hit the paper.

When Grandma died in 2004, and when Dad died just recently, we really didn't need to have anyone come in although I did want to get someone in. We set the alarm system and gave the dogs shotguns.


Anyone who says that criminals are too stupid to read a newspaper for information is perhaps dumber than the criminals because of the unfounded assumptions that are being made.
 
This is all we need with all the identity theft going around is for some dumb ass at a news paper and our goverment making real easy to get our personal info. :mad:

Also, I read that blog and looked at the website where they linked to some dick head talking about making a shopping list of that CCW list. I can't even begin to tell you how much that pissed me off. I hope that if he dares to try it, the first house he breaks into he get's delt with!
 
Tell that to the two people who have already heard from ex-spouses and now have to relocate yet again. In one case, the victim had recently moved, but her ex showed up yelling and kicking at the door. Hopefully he's now the guest of the local sheriffs.
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And again, I say anybody who was depending on their (presumably violent) ex-spouse simply not knowing they could get this info was being mighty foolish. And this is again a failing of the State of Virginia for not at least having a system in place to protect such people's information...if not all permitholders.

Also if we're talking about people so afraid they have to relocate to hide from ex-spouses (as opposed to relying on a restraining order) then why haven't they at least changed their names? It seems like keeping the same name and continuing to conduct business under it is a pretty poor job of hiding to me. And while I don't know about Virginia, I have gone through the name change process up here...and those that can show cause (such as an abusive ex-husband) can be exempted from the announcement requirements and have the change kept out of public records.

This is all we need with all the identity theft going around is for some dumb ass at a news paper and our goverment making real easy to get our personal info.
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What information was released? It sounded to me like it was basically name/address/phone number. Not exactly "indentity-theft-grade" info. Heck, the clerk at your local videostore has access to more info than this guy published.
 
Ya'll can focus your Righteous Republican Anger(TM) at this guy all day (and I'll agree, as I said before, he is definitely a douchebag) but as far as I'm concerned you're missing the much larger problem here.
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No, I'm fully aware of it and it'll be fixed. It just took something like this to bring light on it.

As far as the other, what was the smartass comment for? You make it sound like only conservatives (if you can call Republicans that) are upset about this. Not so. He does something this malicious and I'm supposed to NOT focus on him? This puppy pen liner called the Roanoke Times has, for years, demonized gun owners and I'm sick of it. It's time they found out just how upset people are over their NY Times like antics.
 
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/108536

"There were also some threatening comments directed at Trejbal that led the newspaper to place a security guard, at least temporarily, outside his Christiansburg house."

Oh the irony! Betcha the guard is armed. Might even have a permit. Think he is enjoying this assignment? Think Trejbal is more or less nervous with his protector?
 
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