Can this scenario be real?

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aarondhgraham

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Can (does) this kind of precision rifle actually exist?

A few weeks ago I watched a movie where an assassin was on a rooftop.

He opened a small suitcase that had:
  • Bolt action rifle receiver,,,
  • Separate barrel,,,
  • Separate scope,,,
  • Separate stock.

He assembled the receiver, stock, & barrel,,,
Then "snapped" the scope on the rifle.

He then blew a man's head off at 300 yards.

Is this Hollywood or can you assemble 4 pieces,,,
That will "click into register" to be accurate at that long a distance?

Aarond

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I dunno. Was it a Samsonite suitcase? They're tough, you know.

This is the era of "return to zero" red dot mounts, so.... maybe.

I think that Coleridge said it best when he said for art to work it requires a willing suspension of disbelief.
 
Okay, it didn't cost $15,000.00

I once (way back in time) owned an AR-7,,,
The rear sight was on the receiver,,,
The front on the barrel (duh).

The rifle was very precise in it's bullet placement,,,
It actually shot very tight groups at 25 yards.

But that group position changed every time I reassembled the barrel.

So I know the AR-7 was a cheaply built rifle,,,
Still, I would be amazed at a breakdown barrel (even more the scope) that would hold zero at even 100 yards.

Aarond

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Hello Skadoosh,,,

With engineering tolerances these days, I dont see why it wouldnt be possible.
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I completely agree that it's possible,,,
But does anyone know of an actual example?

Can I go online now and buy a "Return to Zero" scope mount?

Again though,,,
This is just idle curiosity on my part.

But how nice would it be to be able to travel to your mountain sheep hunt with a small package and assemble your 500 yard rifle at camp with no sighting needs.

Aarond

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I've seen the movies, I've seen the advertisements and gunzine articles about real takedown rifles. I think 300 yards with a rifle assembled out of the case with no way to check zero would be right at the cutting edge of the technology. $15000? Yup.
 
We have some of these at work, not sure if it is exactly what you are referring to.....they work but for repeated accuracy the optic needs to stay on the action and the barrel is self indexing. Accurate enough inside 300, anything more would be pretty difficult. My Cheytac M200 was made to be taken apart and devided amongst a group because of the weight, then re-assembled at your destination and fired......never tried that with mine but it would seem the technology is catching up with Hollywood.
 
I almost forgot, check out Desert Tactical Arms. The barrels can be removed and re-enstalled with a repeatable zero. They have video's of this on youtube I think........you would need a bigger briefcase though
 
Blasers can be disassembled to barrel / stock / optic removed and often return to zero with no scope adjustment required at all

An R93 or R8 fits into a very normal sized briefcase (not very tacticool though so better get the LRS2 and buy a bus to carry it round in :rolleyes:)
 
You could accomplish the first three with one my trusty SIG SHR 970s-especially if you had some sort of mark on the stock to indicate the proper position of the stock screws for the correct tension. The 4th-if you had some sort of quick release scope mount.
Sounds very Hollyweird.
 
More than one person has posted here about good results for "return to zero" with a QD scope mount. Thus endeth my knowledge. :)
 
laRue QD LT 104 mount is guaranted to return to zero. And It will to, I own one. I'm not sure about the other components. But I think It could be done with a very good rifle smith.
 
the new krieghoff semprio also promises return to zero after takedown an assembly

the barrel isn't screwed loose and the scope stays on the barrel when you take it apart
 
Nothing new about return to zero scope mounts. The Swiss did that back in the 50's. Having four separate components is considerably different. I'm sure it could be made to be very close, but very close doesn't cut it with long range shooting.

With engineering tolerances these days, I dont see why it wouldnt be possible.
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Tolerances haven't changed in many, many years. Old school machinist's could run a tighter tolerance then today's CNC equipment.
 
A fine discussion of how such a thing might be possible. And all silly. The gun "worked" in the movies because the story line said it "worked". Nothing else mattered.

Jim
 
Can I go online now and buy a "Return to Zero" scope mount?
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Sure, theyve been available for years.

My first experience with them was with HK claw mounts. Since then, Ive used ARMS, LaRue, GG&G, as well as Leupold. They are not usually 100% repeatable, but for the most part, close enough not to matter.

While most of my experience with them has been with autos, I did have a Savage Scout with a set of Leupold QD Weaver rings on a Leupold Scout scope. While not true lever rings, they did work very well for repeatability. I also have a set of thier actual lever type rings on a Remington 700 SPS, and they seem to work as advertised too, although Ive only tried to remove and replace them a couple of times at the range to see how they'd do.

I would think that if you used a Picatinny rail for the base, I think any of the quality mounts/ rings would work fine on a bolt gun, just as they do on the autos.

YOu can do all of that with an AR15, it just isn't a bolt action.
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I currently have an back up AR, broke down and sitting in a medium sized tool box, that is just that. Rifle, prezeroed scope and Aimpoint, both on lever mounts, as well as a couple of handguns, ammo, and some other accessories.

That AR will come out of its box, go back together, and shoot within an inch of where it was last zeroed with no trouble. Only takes about 30 seconds to do it too.

A fine discussion of how such a thing might be possible. And all silly. The gun "worked" in the movies because the story line said it "worked". Nothing else mattered.
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They work in real life too. We have a lot of things these days because a movie or TV show put the idea out there, even when the item did not exist but on the screen or in a book. If you doubt that, just look at your flip open cell phone (Kirk to Enterprise), your computer (they even answer to voice commands these days too), etc, etc.
 
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