plateshooter
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Rusty, is that the standard capacity 9 pellet round, or the "hi-cap" 12 pellet round? 
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Plateshooter
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Plateshooter
Can someone here please help me with my aversion of the 9mm?
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The difference in diameter of the two bullets is 1/10 of an inch. I can't imagine 1/10 of an inch making much difference.
If you want to look at kinetic energy, a 9mm traveling at 1165fps will give you 15.6 and a .45 traveling at 970 will give you 18.8 (units are irrelevant). That gives the .45 20% more power to penetrate, break, and crush. That may be an advantage or disadvantage.
The 9mm seems to penetrate just about everything (car doors, wooden house doors, heavy clothing, etc) that you will come accross. I can't recall any study showing problems with 9mm penetration.
The 10mm is only 1/20th of a inch narrower than the .45 and has 23.8 on my kinetic energy scale. That's 27% more than the .45, AND it's available in a reasonably sized handgun. If you worry about penetration, skip the .45 and go here.
Still want more? Don't care about carry? Go with the .454 Casull and you've got a wider bullet and something at 52.4 on Mike's Power Scale (MPS)... more than DOUBLE the 10mm. Grizzlies will open doors for you.
Of course there is the .475 Linebaugh, but I don't know who makes a handgun for it.
If you want to look at kinetic energy, a 9mm traveling at 1165fps will give you 15.6 and a .45 traveling at 970 will give you 18.8 (units are irrelevant). That gives the .45 20% more power to penetrate, break, and crush. That may be an advantage or disadvantage.
The 9mm seems to penetrate just about everything (car doors, wooden house doors, heavy clothing, etc) that you will come accross. I can't recall any study showing problems with 9mm penetration.
The 10mm is only 1/20th of a inch narrower than the .45 and has 23.8 on my kinetic energy scale. That's 27% more than the .45, AND it's available in a reasonably sized handgun. If you worry about penetration, skip the .45 and go here.
Still want more? Don't care about carry? Go with the .454 Casull and you've got a wider bullet and something at 52.4 on Mike's Power Scale (MPS)... more than DOUBLE the 10mm. Grizzlies will open doors for you.
Of course there is the .475 Linebaugh, but I don't know who makes a handgun for it.
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Mikul you are mistaken and need to do your homework, there are several studies that show the 9mm wont penetrate LOTS OF THINGS! there are even cases where a 147gr subsonic glanced off of a car windsheild! (yippee and a great day for that LEO!)the Winchester silvertip in 9mm has been shown to not penetrate a carhartt barn jacket! Why do you think they tried to reinvent the .45 via the .40S&W and 10mm? the FBI didn't want any part of the 9mm!
Your brother is right so quite doubting yourself.
Ask yourself . . . would I want to discharge a 9mm or even a .22lr into my belly. No!
Once the gunfire starts, people don't poo poo calibers they just seek cover to get away!
Get what is light and fast and you can afford to practice with weekly. . . 9mm
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The Seattle SharpShooter - TFL/GT/UGW/PCT/KTOG
Ask yourself . . . would I want to discharge a 9mm or even a .22lr into my belly. No!
Once the gunfire starts, people don't poo poo calibers they just seek cover to get away!
Get what is light and fast and you can afford to practice with weekly. . . 9mm
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The Seattle SharpShooter - TFL/GT/UGW/PCT/KTOG
Here, this'll get you thinking about how much fun the 9mm is, I wouldn't have owned a 9mm if it weren't for this old girl and her shooting qualities:
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I've got a 9mm CZ75B, but I bought it for IDPA and plinking, and "emergency" situations where I might need another gun. I carry a Glock 21 or a Makarov. I may buy a Kahr or a Keltec for a deep carry, in 9mm. I find the recoil on my 21 is easier to control than the 9mm CZ, but that might just be the "newness" of the CZ and the size of the respective guns. Still get 'em in under 4" at 20yrds though
Jamie Young
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OK SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO DISCUSS IS THE FACT THAT A FULL SIZED 9MM IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A CHOPPED OFF 9MM!!
A full sized 9mm like a Beretta 92FS is a very formidable weapon. I always go with full sized guns and get the true power from the caliber. I'd rather have a Beretta 92FS than some short barreled .45ACP. I don't hear to many folks talk about this issue?
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A full sized 9mm like a Beretta 92FS is a very formidable weapon. I always go with full sized guns and get the true power from the caliber. I'd rather have a Beretta 92FS than some short barreled .45ACP. I don't hear to many folks talk about this issue?
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"Bring 'Em on.... I prefer a Straight Fight to all this sneaking around"
Han Solo
internetfish
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OK...my .02 worth
I don't like the 9mm one iota, but the one pistol that I have shot the 9mm in that I truly did enjoy it with was the Sig P210. This gun shoots like a dream. If only they would make this in .45...
The 9mm is ok for most defense scenarios, but I would rather have my .357 or .45 anyday. I feel safer with bigger calibers...call it an insecure thing, but there is something comforting about a 230 grn round vs 150 or less. Just my thoughts...
I don't like the 9mm one iota, but the one pistol that I have shot the 9mm in that I truly did enjoy it with was the Sig P210. This gun shoots like a dream. If only they would make this in .45...
The 9mm is ok for most defense scenarios, but I would rather have my .357 or .45 anyday. I feel safer with bigger calibers...call it an insecure thing, but there is something comforting about a 230 grn round vs 150 or less. Just my thoughts...
I'm not sure that the difference in recoil recovery time between the two calibers is a factor except in competiton where time is part of the score. 9mm is quicker, but by how much? If you've trained well with both calibers, you're probably only looking at a few hundredths of a second difference. If the first bullet is on target, regardless of its caliber, it's going to buy you the time you need for follow up shots. A really fast second shot only becomes critical if the first one misses, IMHO.
Speed is fine, accuracy is final.
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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
Speed is fine, accuracy is final.
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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
Is it the sword or the swordsman?
Try a Hi-Power its similar to a 1911 and (based on my experience I shooot my hipower better, though my handling is faster with a 1911) you'll find the either/or is pretty much nil.
I prefer the caliber of 45.. and I even think the HP kicks a little more.. but I seem to shoot it better. The BEST weapon is the one you shoot the best.
Rob
Try a Hi-Power its similar to a 1911 and (based on my experience I shooot my hipower better, though my handling is faster with a 1911) you'll find the either/or is pretty much nil.
I prefer the caliber of 45.. and I even think the HP kicks a little more.. but I seem to shoot it better. The BEST weapon is the one you shoot the best.
Rob
Just say NOOOOOOO!!!!
Actually, a different level of concern I would have .45 is the difference in the trigger from a 1911 to a double action type gun. Different set of muscles there. The Hi-Power has been suggested as a suitble replacement. Didn't work that way for me. The long trigger reset of the Hi-Power caused me a number of problems. If you want to try to get back on target quicker, there are other 1911s from folks like Springfield, Novak, Nowlin and others that will let you shoot the "little bitty bullets" off a 1911 frame.
Actually, a different level of concern I would have .45 is the difference in the trigger from a 1911 to a double action type gun. Different set of muscles there. The Hi-Power has been suggested as a suitble replacement. Didn't work that way for me. The long trigger reset of the Hi-Power caused me a number of problems. If you want to try to get back on target quicker, there are other 1911s from folks like Springfield, Novak, Nowlin and others that will let you shoot the "little bitty bullets" off a 1911 frame.
How about the fact that the SAS used BHP in 9mm for many years and only switched recently. They took down many BGs with this round.
How about the fact that the majority of the Navy SEALs use a SIG P226 in 9mm.
Not that either of those groups would know anything about an acceptable defense round. Seeing as they actually do have to reload while in a gunfight.
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The best weapon for self defense is the one you have when the need arises!
How about the fact that the majority of the Navy SEALs use a SIG P226 in 9mm.
Not that either of those groups would know anything about an acceptable defense round. Seeing as they actually do have to reload while in a gunfight.
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The best weapon for self defense is the one you have when the need arises!