Can someone here please help me with my aversion of the 9mm?

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45automan

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Hey guys I have a ruger P95 and it's a great gun,however my wife has taken it over,perhaps forever! Anyway Being a worshiper of the big .45ACP i seem to have a problem with the 9mm. Now I know most morden data shows it to be as good as the .45,well almost. What if the HP you shoot the BG doesn't expand? HMMMM. My brother whois a rabid 9mm proponent says the faster follow up shots from the 9mm and shot placement will more than compensate for any advantage the .45 may have. Is he right here guys? I can fire my 1911 .45 pretty fast but not as fast as a 9mm,I have been shooting .45 for over 10 years. I have always wanted a Beretta 92 with night sights,see where I am going here guys? Help me if you can.
Thanks,45automan
 
Hello. My favorite all around handgun round is the 9x19mm in its better loadings, but I would not begin to try and persuade you to go with something you doubt or have less faith in. The forty-five is a grand cartridge and if that's what you prefer, go for it. If you consider that some 9mm pistols weigh less than the 1911 or other "heavy" .45 pistols, they may have similar amounts of felt recoil with hotter loads.

Go with what you like and feel confident with, keeping in mind that no conventional handgun caliber is "powerful". Best.
 
i have never, i am sad to say, had the chance to shoot a .45 acp. i plan to remedy thay soon.
i like 9mm a lot tho, its an all around caliber for a semi-auto.
its not the best, but it works.
aim for the head, hollowpoints+head=dead BG.
i would count on federal hydra shoks or corbon hollow points to open up.
i dont like silver tips tho cause i have had them not open up in buckets of water.
i say get one see how you like it.

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while u are burying your head in the sand i will be out doing something about the problem, excuse me if i tramp upon your skull.
 
It's been my favorite for awhile now. It, stated simply, gets the job done without any un-needed excess. A very efficient cartridge offered in some very size efficient pistols.



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Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!
 
The 9x19 is to handguns what the .308 is to rifles. It can be bettered in any individual area, but when all factors are considered it comes out on top, in my humble opinion at least.

It is more than enough cartridge for anyone and when coupled with a hi-cap, gives you more firepower than you could reasonably need. The old caliber debate will never die and those who like to see trash cans coming out of the barrel will always go with the .45 and who can blame them, but I'd always be confident with a 9, and in the final analysis, that counts for a lot.

Mike H
 
.45ACP comes pre expanded, if it does expand it will make a big hole even bigger. Rapidity of well placed shots could become a moot point with a lot of practice. Guy I shoot with quite a bit can put 7 .45 rounds into selected area as fast as the gun will cycle. That fast enough and shot placement is controlled. He usin fairly spunky loads, bout the same power as his 200gr defensive Cor-Bons.

Tho I carried .45 on duty for nearly 20 years, I prefer stoutish .357. Specially at my age. I need lots of penetration cause if it is a close encounter I will be shootin up at the bad guy from the deck, takes a lot of penetration to go from juncture of the thighs up into the brain. Oughta be a decent stopper tho.

A few times in the military had the option of carryin a 9X19 and since none of my peers did, I didn't. We even had some 9 grease guns, don't think anybody went on the road with one of them either.

My vote, if you a .45 man, stick with it.

Sam...my favorite 9mm is the 9X32R, but .44s are cool too.
 
9mm, 45. Doesn't matter to me as I'd hate to get hit with either one!

[This message has been edited by ojibweindian (edited September 14, 2000).]
 
It used to be that you could compensate for the smaller size of a 9mm compared to a .45 with the fact that capacity of 9mm's was about double that of .45's. Now, with guns like the .40 and .45 glocks, USPs and para-ords, that capacity difference is shrinking.

I haven't done any scientific testing, but I feel almost as comfortable with a 9mm as I do with a .45. I don't think that anyone would argue that your average .45 is a nastier round to get hit with than your average 9mm, all else being equal. But cost of practice ammo, lesser recoil, lesser muzzle flash, and higher capacity make up for the difference.
 
Greetings,

I am not the one to talk you into a 9 either. I have one, a CZ-75. I am selling my other 9, an FEG. I think everyone should have one, but no more than that. I use mine for IDPA and I carry a .45 when I'm seriously carrying, otherwise I carry a .380. The house/yard gun is a .357.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
That is like asking to be cured of haveing a high IQ.DOesn't make a lot of sense.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
As far as shooting "faster" goes, don't forget that axiom by one of the all time great gunfighers, U.S. Border Patrol Agent, and USMC LTC (WWII), Bill Jordan... "You can't miss fast enough in a gunfight, to win." Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy.

That said, I carry a .45 Colt's L.W. Commander. But I've also carried for years, a Beretta 92FS, and previous to that, a S& Klinton Mdl. 15, Combat Masterpiece, .38 Spec. They'll get the job done, if you (I) do your's.

ACCURACY!!! FWIW. J.B.
 
There are considerations for shooting other than shooting some living creature. I like it for a hobby, and playing the shooting games, IDPA, Plate races etc. I really like the 45, but it costs twice as much to shoot a 45 as a 9mm. So I shoot about 3 times as much 9mm ammo as 45. The 9mm lets you shoot much more if ammo bucks are an issue, and a hole in the card board people or a hit on a steel plate counts the same no matter if it's 9mm or 45. I'm completely comfortable with a 9 for self defense in the unlikely event I would need it. That's the best argument I can come up with for the 9mm.

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Good shootin to ya
Plateshooter
 
I really like the 9MM. It's fun to shoot, and relatively inexpensive. What do you want the gun for? Are you worried that if you shoot someone with it they won't fall over? I agree with plateshooter, get it because it's fun to shoot. I personally get a little tired of all the caliber arguments from all of our "keyboard commandos" expecially when you consider the .000001% chance you're going to need to shoot some BG at the exact time you happen to have that "puny" 9mm with you.
 
This argument keeps gun writers employed and magazines sold. If I may utter extreme blashpemy, I dare to say we could do just fine with 9mm ball. Ask those 3 IRA members the SAS hosed at Gibralter with their Brownings if 9mm doesn't work. (Though I am sure it works better with the 100 holes each they likely had.)
 
IMO, you may be better off going with a Browning Hi-Power. It is the same SA design that you are already well-versed with from the 1911. The Beretta has the same controls as your P95, but you said that you did your best with the 1911. :)
 
45automan, here's a suggestion you'll really like. 9mm is 355 +/- a bit, right? 000 buck is 360 +/-.

Shoot your 9mm from a 12 ga. Don't you feel better already?
 
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