Can someone help me out with my handgun accuracy?

with your pistol grip, how many of you (for right handed shooters) push forward with the right hand, and pull back with the left hand, creating pressure on the gun from the front anf back?

I don't do the push/pull thing, myself, but it might work for others. One of the keys to accuracy is consistency, and unless you're delivering a very consistent push/pull with each hand for every shot, the gun will react slightly differently when it goes off, which will, of course affect your accuracy.

For 2-handed shooting, an isosceles stance with a neutral grip works best for me. Think of your hands holding a piece of paper rather than a gun. You're gripping it firmly, but you not tearing it, either.

Again, though, experiment to see what works best for you.

Be aware of where on the target the front sight is as the shot breaks

This is key, but it's a difficult thing to do well. It's relatively easy to watch the front sight - right up the the infinitesimal moment before the trigger breaks. When the trigger does break, we often don't watch it and we don't even realize we didn't watch it because it happened so quickly and we got back on it quickly.
 
"Can someone help me out with my handgun accuracy?"

Nope.
Last two people I showed how to shoot a handgun, proceeded to out shoot me by the end of the day!:mad:
 
With the way your shooting seems to deteriorate the longer you shoot; it sounds like fatigue and possibly frustration. If you don't already, go with a friend and share a lane. When your not shooting, sit, watch, think, and breathe. Above all else, have fun. Well, be safe above all else, but fun is a close second. Your groups will get there the more you shoot. You've gotten a lot of good advice here. I'm glad you posted your question, lot's of folks probably learned something here.
 
greyson97 your kiddin us ! for being new that's dam good. I've watched many couldn't hit paper at that distance. I wouldn't worry much, some people grab a weapon and there a natural, others like "most of us" takes concentration and practice. By the looks of your targets, you'll have nothing to worry about, check your breathing and enjoy "the shoot" ;)
 
Your groups are a lot better than mine where when I first started shooting. Sure, there's lots of room for improvement, but you're starting out reasonably well. So, don't get discouraged.

I disagree with those who contend that putting the trigger behind the first crease of your trigger finger will cause you to pull the gun off line. Those of us who shoot double action revolvers generally will tell you that putting the trigger behind the crease is the BEST way to get a straight pull on a heavy trigger and to avoid pulling the gun off line. Pad on trigger simply doesn't work very well on most double action triggers.

I tend to keep the trigger behind the crease, regardless whether I shoot double action revolvers (which I do about 90% of the time) or single action semiautos, such as my 1911 or my wife's Smith & Wesson model 41. I'm simply more comfortable shooting that way and I consider myself to be a competent shot if not a bullseye quality shooter.

My advice is: find what's comfortable for you and stick with it. If resting the trigger on the pad works for you then, fine, go for it. If, on the other hand, you find greater comfort putting your finger slightly deeper into the trigger guard, then by all means do it.

What I also recommend is two things that others have touched on. (1) get a .22 and practice, practice, practice; and (2) dryfire as much as possible.

Since you're firing a Glock I'd recommend getting a .22 semiauto and not a revolver. There are several good moderately priced ones out there. Ruger makes a number of models that would probably serve you quite well and Smith & Wesson also make an inexpensive model in semiauto.

As for dry firing, do it with a purpose. The most important thing about dry firing is that it enables you to determine whether you're controlling your trigger adequately and avoiding movement as you shoot. Keep your eye on the front sight. Does it dip or bob when you pull the trigger? If so, keep focusing on keeping it as still as you can. A good technique is to dry fire in front of a mirror. If you do that, just focus on the front of the gun and watch to see whether it moves. Another trick. Balance a coin on the gun. Does it fall off as you dry fire it? Work on shooting so that the coin remains flat on top of the gun's barrel.

Several have advised you to take your time as you shoot. No advice could be better than that! Even a relatively light gun can put a fair amount of stress on your arms, hands, and shoulders, if held at arms length for more than a few seconds. Hand shake will result from fatigue and once your hands start to tremble your accuracy will deteriorate. Concentrate on shooting 3 or 5-shot groups rather than entire magazines at one time. You may even want to rest your gun between each shot at first, lowering it for a few seconds to remove the stress from your arms and shoulders.

A final point. Remember to breathe!!! When I shoot I find myself instinctively holding my breath in order to reduce movement. That's a bad habit to get into because, after a few shots, the loss of oxygen to your muscles will increase trembling. So, take a deep breath between each shot.
 
i would say when I posted this, that i had fired my PX4 maybe like, 300 rounds. and that last one in the pic was 100. The first 100 shots were terrible, all my shots were low and all over the place.

after I decided that i needed to get better, i started reading articles, and then I went back and did the pic thats posted. Finger placement, stance, sight, taking my time, but i wasnt happy with my groupings so i came here to ask for further advice, if any of you could see if I was doing anything particularly wrong looking at my groupings at 7 yards.

I read a lot of interesting things to try and improve and I thank you all.
 
Sight line just as important as anything else

I haven't read many comments here about your sight line when shooting.
One comment eluded to it by commenting on the laser sight.

I just watched a special on those exibition shooters and the guy that speed shoots made a really good point on shooting that most of us seem to miss.
He never looks for his bullet marks on the target until he is done shooting that cycle.
To be accurate you always need to keep your sights aligned. If you continually look where your bullet went, you will be off by that much on the next shot, and so on.

If you ever need to shoot something intentionally (for protection). I'm pretty sure you won't take the time to see where the last bullet went. You will keep that object in your sights the entire time and keep shooting until you know you have accomplished what needed to be done.

My father was a competition shooter and I can't tell you how many thousands and thousands of dry fire shots he did. He taped a little red dot on one of the walls in our living room and constantly drew off to that dot. day in and day out. He got to where he could be in any position, and place in the room, and drop a bead, smack on that dot every time.

Try this.
With your gun empty, quick snap your draw to a given spot (it can be anything you can sight to, quickly).
Do you automatically sight in correctly. Do your sights line up correctly?
I was going to buy a Glock and could never seem to get my sight line correct.
I tried the Kimber and couldn't either. I ended up with an XD-45 because every time I sight in, the sight line is right there.
The angle of the grip can radically affect your sight line. If the grip angle isn't a good match to your shooting style, try a handgun with a different grip angle, and see if it makes a difference.
Thats why there are all of these different guns out there. Don't own a gun that you can't shoot accuratly, unless it will never leave the safe or your collection.

In time you can learn to shoot anything well. Why not just shoot one that fits to begin with, and save yourself all that grief.
We don't all like shooting only the 1911's and Colt Pythons.
You can beat yourself up trying to get it right, or make it easy on yourself and find a gun that fits your grip and shooting style
 
Something else I like to do and I do not know why I did not mention it in the previous post, is put a long dowel in the end of the barrel and while dry firing the revolver, watch where it goes. I never knew that pulling the trigger caused so much wavering... Squeezing works best for me.

Just another idea. But practice practice practice.
 
All great suggestions. I could have missed it, but Brian Enos (Practical Shooting) also says that thumbs should point toward the target and NOT touch the gun.
 
thumbs should point toward the target and NOT touch the gun.
Which is true for autoloaders, but not wheelguns.
You can use that technique if you want, but I prefer my thumbs to be behind the recoil plate where they are protected in the event of a case rupture.
 
I thought I would add a tip in here also:)
Dry fire with a coin on the top of the barrel by the muzzle try to keep it on there while you pull the trigger this is great with a DA revolver. It works with a semi auto but more of a pain to reset the trigger. I agree with a lot of what was said in other posts. Take time don't rush once the muscle memory is there it will get easier. There is so much stuff out there on the internet about how to shoot. I would find someone who can help you and they don't need to be experts just observe and tell the truth. Or have someone videotape you shooting so you can get the instant feed back as to what is happening. Focus on Fundamentals:
STANCE - I like the isosceles or the weaver
GRIP - Firm like a handshake no white knuckles
SIGHT ALIGNMENT - You should see the front sight clearly
TRIGGER CONTROL - DO NOT slap, smack, whack or jerk the trigger. Slow steady pull to the rear.
and
BREATH CONTROL - This is needed with a rifle and can be useful at distance 25yds or more with a handgun. At close distance with a handgun it is the least important thing to worry about.

I would also make sure that the Glock has the 5lb trigger spring and not the ny or ny2
Good Luck
EPR105
 
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