Can anyone identify this artillery round?

In 1977, in Germany, I got extensive training on un-exploded ordnance. Some of the guys were out in the boonies on post, and found a "shell" (unexploded fired projectile, in this case) and brought it back to the barracks. Sat night, some drinking, table gets bumped, shell falls (THUMP) onto the floor. Noise alerts the CQ, he investigates, sees the shell, and clears the room, calls EOD.

EOD runs us all out of the barracks in the middle of the night, and takes it away. The next morning, Sunday, usually a day off, we ALL get mustered in formation, and marched to the post theater.

There we got a half day class on unexploded ordnance, and what NOT to do if we found any. It was one of the better instruction sessions the Army ever gave me, both in content and presentation. There was a large display stand of ordnance, and the instructor would pick them up and tell us about them. At several points during the class, when he picked up something, it "exploded" (simulator under the display stand). Let me tell you, if you were dozing off, it REALLY woke you up.

Besides it being a field grade court martial offense to pick this stuff up, the most important thing was that the only thing you could tell about a "dud" was that it didn't go off when it was expected to. NOTHING else.

They told us the story about a private who was picking up the golden eggs on a grenade range (40mm grenade projectiles). All duds, meaning they were safe, right? Supposedly had one in each pants pocket, one in each shirt pocket, and one in each hand, when he bumped his hand against his pocket, and (at least) one of them went off. Letter to the family, GI insurance, and a closed casket.

They told us the story about a LAW range at FT Hood, used for years, shooting LAW rockets at old tanks and halftracks. Lots of duds in the field. They set fire to the field to clean it up. Many explosions. The remainder must be dead, right? Sent guys out to pick them up. Had the burnt, dud rockets piled up like cordwood. One guy tosses another one on the pile, and it (or several) explodes. At least one fatality from that one.

The told us about how warheads with piezoelectric crystals in their fuzes could get really unstable, and had, after lying in the open, for years, gone off from the change in temp of someone's shadow falling across it. They told us a lot of other stuff too.

The warhead the guys in my barracks found, which did not go off when it fell off the table (directly above, one room to the left of mine:eek:) was a WWII German 10.5cm WP (white phosphorus) round, and that afternoon, we were taken to the range where the EOD detonated it. Very impressive. Had it gone off in the barracks (which were two story concrete construction) it would have destroyed one wing completely, and set fire to the rest!

NO warhead is safe, until and unless a real expert (and not an armchair expert like me) certifies it is. DON"T TAKE CHANCES!
 
People get killed all the time with UXO even at military ranges. I heard that a EOD was killed at White Sands Missile Range because he had gotten too causal with UXO. The story I heard he picked up one unexploded anti personnel/anti vehicle bomb let, about baby food jar sized, it was on the ground after a dispersion test. The guy picked it up and tossed it back. It went off on contact with the ground and the guy bled to death before emergency vehicles could reach him.

Once, at Holloman AFB, the MP police had roped off several square miles of the base. Seemed they found a big unexploded bomb. It was taking lots of time as they were going to haul the thing off. The friend who told me this asked why they did’nt just blow it in place instead of hauling it off. He was told “it could be a chemical weapon”. Just imagine exploding a nerve agent bomb in place. That would be a big “OOPS! moment”:eek:

People should never take ordnance or gunpowder for granted.

HAZARDS OF ALTITUDE TESTING AT AEDC

In 1982, a Peacekeeper stage 2 failed during a test at AEDC. This was a new booster being tested as a Production Assurance Quality Test. Ignition failure occurred during the burn test and most of the 60,000 lbs of unburnt propellant fell out of the booster into the bottom of the test cell. This test cell was hundreds of feet deep. Aerojet’s recommendation was to cut the propellant in the bottom of the stand into chunks with a wire and physically lift out the chunks. Safety’s recommendation was to keep the propellant wet but this was not implemented by the workers on site. It is not known if keeping the propellant wet would have prevented the ignition of the last 30,000 lbs in the cell, regardless three Aerojet and 1 AEDC contract employee were killed when the propellant ignited.


This one, just the static electricity was enough to set off a perfectly good Pershing rocket.

3 Gis Killed In Missile Accident: fuel Fire leaves 7 Injured

January 12, 1985|By James M. Markham, The New York Times

BONN — The solid-fuel motor of an unarmed Pershing 2 missile caught fire and burned during a training exercise in southern Germany Friday, killing three American soldiers and injuring seven others, the U.S. Army announced.
The accident was the most serious so far involving the American-built ballistic missiles, and it seemed certain to sharpen West German anxieties over the issue of nuclear weapons stationed in the country. The Pershings were first deployed in late 1983 after heated controversy in West Germany.

Technical Investigation of 11 January 1985 PERSHING II Motor Fire
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADP005343

Demilling old ordnance kills people:


2010 Deadly Redstone Arsenal explosion caused by company's safety lapse, investigation shows

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/02/deadly_redstone_arsenal_explos.html

People complain about TSA, airport security and stupid. Well it is not limited to TSA. I have one more story about the levels of stupid you can get with hired help.

A bud of mine was in uniform when we had nuclear tipped Pershing Missiles based in Germany.



He was at a storage base in Germany and a worker there moved a Pershing nuclear warhead with a fork lift. According to my bud there were rules about moving nuclear war heads. One was that the fork lift operator had to have special training and that there was supposed to be a guide in front of the fork lift. Instead the forklift operator was not trained, there was no guide to slow the fork lift. The operator got the fork lift moving too fast, the nuke in the box started bouncing on the forklift rungs, the operator got scared and braked hard. Evidentially the operator had not been educated about inertia because the crate kept going,slide off the rungs, and fell on the asphalt.

Everyone there took a deep breath after they discovered they were still alive. Just imagine the size of the crater had it gone off!
 
So just call the cops?

So it looks like the best thing to do is call the cops, let them call the state police EOD, and go to a movie while they're there.
 
Pennstate:

It would help if you could tell us when and where your dad served overseas.

It looks to be me to be a 37 or 40 mm AT round, which means WW2 era.

Scroll to the bottom of the below linked article. The round looks like the second from the left in the picture, a US 37mm Tank round.

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/37-40mm.htm
 
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22,000 lbs bomb found live next to guard post :D

"Apparently when Lincolnshire County Council were widening the road past RAF Scampton's main gate in about 1958, the 'gate guards' there had to be moved to make way for the new carriageway. Scampton was the WWII home of 617 Sqn, and said "gate guards" were a Lancaster...and a Grand Slam (10 Ton) bomb.

When they went to lift the Grand Slam, thought for years to just be an empty casing, with an RAF 8 Ton Coles Crane, it wouldn't budge. "Oh, it must be filled with concrete" they said. Then somebody had a horrible thought .... No!..... Couldn't be? ... Not after all these years out here open to the public to climb over and be photographed sitting astride! .... Could it? .... Then everyone raced off to get the Station ARMO. He carefully scraped off many layers of paint and gingerly unscrewed the base plate.

Yes, you guessed it, live 1944 explosive filling! The beast was very gently lifted onto an RAF 'Queen Mary' low loader, using a much larger civvy crane (I often wonder what, if anything, they told the crane driver), then driven slowly under massive police escort to the coastal experimental range at Shoeburyness. There it was rigged for demolition, and when it 'high ordered', it proved in no uncertain terms to anyone within a ten mile radius that the filling was still very much alive!

Exhaustive investigations then took place, but nobody could find the long-gone 1944, 1945 or 1946 records which might have shown how a live 22,000 lb bomb became a gate guard for nearly the next decade and a half. Some safety distance calculations were done, however, about the effect of a Grand Slam detonating at ground levelin the open. Apart from the entire RAF Station, most of the northern part of the City of Lincoln, including Lincoln Cathedral, which dates back to 1250, would have been flattened. "

Always make sure it's really a dud:)
Boomer
 
Man you got stuff like that in your basement? about the only thing I might find in mine is a rusted rat trap!
 
Those things had explosive shells. And while I didn't see a fuze we didn't get a good look at the pointy end.

So you might have a very dangerous piece of ordnance in your house. Or you might have a display shell that is perfectly safe. But how are you going to sleep at night until you find out?
You are right. It should be disposed of by finding the gun that it fits, and firing at your neighbors house, so that you know for sure. ;)
 
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