Service Rifle shooters are getting 1/2moa or better (the winners) at 600yds w/A2 match sights? If that's true, how come the current NRA service rifle record shows only 15 out of 20 shots in the 6" X-ring at 600 yards; a score of 200-15X? Where do you get this stuff?
Nobody, ever, has shot any rifle twenty times slung up in prone with no artificial support into no worse than 3 inches at 600 yards. I watched a guy put them into 4 inches at 600 some years ago setting a record, but one shot was outside the 6" X ring for a score of 200-19X. The current USA match rifle bolt action record is 200-20X with two more in it and the 22-shot group was about 5 inches. It was shot with a 24 caliber cartridge as far as I know. While it's possible for a semiauto 22 caliber rifle to shoot under 3 inches at 600 yards tested in free recoil clamped in a machine rest, hand held against ones shoulder introduces a lot of variables and that's why the best groups on bullseye targets at 600 yards have been over 6 inches.
The best prone competitors hold their aiming area inside 4 inches at 600 yards and break most of their shots inside 3 inches. Whatever accuracy the rifle and ammo has adds to that along with inconsistancies in hold causing the rifle to not move exactly the same way each time the bullet going down the barrel. Which is why people with half MOA centerfire rifles and ammo typically shoot 1.5 MOA at range laying on their bellies; records are set when a lot of luck's on their side and the group's smaller.
Nobody I know of reloads ammo for their match grade semiatuo service rifles winning matches and setting records. It's been tried but never produced the scores new cases do. Nobody squares up service rifle bolt faces, as far as I know.
The US Army Rifle Team had some of the best semiauto 5.56 NATO match rifles but they never shot the consistantly high scores past 600 yards that 7.62 NATO ones did from Garands and M1A's. That's why they Army team got the NRA to classify the AR10 in .308 Win. as a service rifle, then they went out and won 1000-yard matches and set a record with it.
Nobody, ever, has shot any rifle twenty times slung up in prone with no artificial support into no worse than 3 inches at 600 yards. I watched a guy put them into 4 inches at 600 some years ago setting a record, but one shot was outside the 6" X ring for a score of 200-19X. The current USA match rifle bolt action record is 200-20X with two more in it and the 22-shot group was about 5 inches. It was shot with a 24 caliber cartridge as far as I know. While it's possible for a semiauto 22 caliber rifle to shoot under 3 inches at 600 yards tested in free recoil clamped in a machine rest, hand held against ones shoulder introduces a lot of variables and that's why the best groups on bullseye targets at 600 yards have been over 6 inches.
The best prone competitors hold their aiming area inside 4 inches at 600 yards and break most of their shots inside 3 inches. Whatever accuracy the rifle and ammo has adds to that along with inconsistancies in hold causing the rifle to not move exactly the same way each time the bullet going down the barrel. Which is why people with half MOA centerfire rifles and ammo typically shoot 1.5 MOA at range laying on their bellies; records are set when a lot of luck's on their side and the group's smaller.
Nobody I know of reloads ammo for their match grade semiatuo service rifles winning matches and setting records. It's been tried but never produced the scores new cases do. Nobody squares up service rifle bolt faces, as far as I know.
The US Army Rifle Team had some of the best semiauto 5.56 NATO match rifles but they never shot the consistantly high scores past 600 yards that 7.62 NATO ones did from Garands and M1A's. That's why they Army team got the NRA to classify the AR10 in .308 Win. as a service rifle, then they went out and won 1000-yard matches and set a record with it.
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