Calling all Savage lovers - question on rings/rail

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VirtualGreg

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After years of paying down bills I'm finally in a position where I can build the rifle I've been wanting to get. I've been looking at numerous aspects of this but have never put together this sort of rifle before and would really welcome some advice from those of you on the forums who have a similar rifle and/or scope.

The rifle I'm looking to order is the Savage Model 10 FP, and the scope I want is the Leupold Mark IV LRT with 50mm obj lens (model number 54560 or similar)...

I've scoured these forums before for advice and there seems to be a lot of factors. I'd plan to start at 100 - 200 yd shooting but would be looking to move to 500 - 600 yd shooting in the future as time and skill permits.

I've seen some comments about how the Leupolds sit a bit too low on the Savages etc as well, so for those of you who might have gone through some lessons the hard way I'd love to hear your recommendations for what rings and rails etc I need to order.

Thanks in advance.
 
what cal. 308 or other and are you going to streach it out to 1000yards or not.

as for the rings i wint with highs on my stevens with a sporter barrel the fp has a heavier barrel so i would say that you will need the highs to.

as for the base if your going to shoot 1000 yards go with a one peice +20moa.

if you want to spend a little more money on the best in my mind the DNZ gamereaper is a one peice bace and ring set that offers no moveing parts inbetween the gun and scope there +20moa is right around $120.Thats what im putting on my 11 LRH 6.5 CM
 
Virtual Greg
I would recommend that you take your new rifle to your local gun store and test fit a couple of scope & rings to see what fits best. But make sure you buy them from that store, they'll probably get pretty peeved if you spend an hour or two testing out scopes and rings and then walk out and buy them online. I'd buy a few boxes of ammo from them as well, just to say thanks.

M.O.A. said:
what cal. 308 or other and are you going to streach it out to 1000yards or not.

as for the rings i wint with highs on my stevens with a sporter barrel the fp has a heavier barrel so i would say that you will need the highs to.

as for the base if your going to shoot 1000 yards go with a one peice +20moa.

if you want to spend a little more money on the best in my mind the DNZ gamereaper is a one peice bace and ring set that offers no moveing parts inbetween the gun and scope there +20moa is right around $120.Thats what im putting on my 11 LRH 6.5 CM
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Can you put that into common english, please?
 
I bought a Savage mod 10 this year with a med wt varmit barrel. I put a Warne tactical rail on it (you can get them with a built in 20 moa if you wish). I used Warne QD rings in med height and had plenty of room to spare. I recently switched the scope on this gun and put Burris Signature Zee rings on it and there is still a lot of room. The one piece tactical base offers the advantage of a little extra height and you don't need to worry about lapping the scope (which I personally think almost never needs to be done anyway). Good luck with what ever you choose.
 
Sorry yes, buying in .308.

600 yds really is as far as I'd think I'd be shooting, and can always use Hold off techniques if I need to shoot further than that... Not sure if 600 yds on a .308 requires the 20 MOA distance?
 
Greg, that scope has a 100 MOA adjustment range, or +/- 50 MOA.
If your zero is 100 yards, the drop at 600 yards is about 14.4 MOA, assuming a 168 gr MatchKing bullet.
You don't want a 20 MOA base for this, you are well within a reasonable range.

For the mounting system I would use the Leupold Mark 4 Tactical mounts. Tough and high quality - they are not cheap, but your rifle and scope are not cheap either. You don't want your rings to be the weak link.
You can go to the Leupold website and look at the application chart. It will tell you what to order for your rifle and scope. You can also call Leupold and you will get someone who knows what he is talking about.

Order up your own stuff and install it yourself. I wouldn't take a rig like this to a gun store unless I really knew the guy behind the counter. You don't want some stranger fumbling your $1000 scope :eek:

I Know there are really good people at a lot of guns stores, so the advice to try some on is still a good one. Just be careful.
 
Thanks for the feedback... Niner4Tango I definitely don't want the rings to be the weaklink but I've never been overwhelmed by what our local gander mountain offers... I'll go check out the leupold website and see.

As for actually doing the mounting myself, I'd love to be able to but I equally don't want to mess this part up through my ignorance. From what I've read here an improperly mounted scope can lead to some curious results at the range...

Thanks all for the advice, going to keep digging. I'm a month or so from ordering the actual rifle, and want to make sure the rifle is the last piece I get so that once I have it it can all be assembled and then head on out to the range.
 
What niner4tango said...

Get the minimum height rings that will allow the 50mm objective to clear the barrel (and be sure you've got a bit of extra room to slip on the scope cap- don't ask me how I know...).

Objective is to get the scope to sit as low to the barrel as possible.

And really, scope mounting isn't difficult. Don't be intimidated. Wheeler makes a nice kit (on sale now at Midway) that will give you everything you need for a professional job, and the satisfaction that you did it yourself. Plus, you'll have it for the next rifle!

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=816462
 
About what you want

I didn't notice where you mentioned how much you want to spend.
Savage 10 FCP HS Precision 24" HB, Aluminum bedding block
1.5-3 lb LE Accutrigger. About 1000.00 if you can find one
Badger 20 MOA 1 piece steel picatinny base. 150.00
Badger 30mm steel rings. 150.00
NightForce NXS 3.5X15X50 NPR2 illuminated reticle. 1475.00

About 2745.00 give or take a little either way. If someone had one they wanted to sell, you could probably get a good deal and save a couple hundred.
 
Agreed, with the optic you are looking at for use at ~600 yds, you do not need a 20 MOA base.

An EGW one piece base will work nicely. I mounted one earlier this year and it has done well.

If you want strong rings without the need to lap them, you might want to try the Burris Zee rings. Worth checking out, in my opinion.

I setup a Savage 10 FPC HS-Precision earlier this year. I like it a lot. I've got my first precision rifle course later this year....really looking forward to it.

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A medium height ring should do you fine if you use a picatinney rail.
I have 30mm tube/50mm objective scopes on all of my Savage rifles along with picatinney rails,and use medium Burris signature Zee rings on all of them.

Savage 12 FLV with a Weaver 1pc base and Swarovski PH 4-16x50 and Savage 10 FCP with a Ken Farrell 1pc base and Sightron SIII 6-24x50,both using medium Burris rings.

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Get an EGW 20 minute base, they aren't that expensive. Then use BSquare "Sport Utility" Rings to mount the scope. Degrease every bolt hole and use a dab of blue loctite on everything.

You can pay more for a base or rings, but the only rings I think are really an upgrade from the BSquare's are Burris Extreme Zee rings with centering inserts. If you use the Burris rings with offsets you won't need the canted base, but I'd get it anyways.

Jimro
 
Quick Question on Lapping

A big thanks to all that contributed to this thread and helped me along the way... I opted for the Leupold Mark 4 rings/base because they made a base specifically for the Savage 10/110 which made me feel comfortable... dropped the helpful guys at Leupold a line and they told me what I'd need for ring height to make sure the objective had enough clearance.

I had originally planned to take the rifle to a local outfit for assembly but the helpful suggestions here, and the pointer to the Wheeler kit I've decided that I really should be comfortable with this process. All the hardware, except the rifle is in, so I've been preparing myself by watching the instructional DVD, and now to the question...

Lapping the rings. Is this necessary on a new set of rings/scope ? The instructional DVD suggests it might be needed if you're not achieving proper alignment, and I've read some suggestions that if you don't get that proper amount of surface area between ring/tube you can distort the tube, which I don't want to do... So for all you guys who are regularly or semi-regularly fixing scopes to rifles what is your recommendation here? Any good rules of thumb? Any pearls of wisdom ? I have to say watching the DVD this was the only time I sat there baffled...

Thanks,
Greg
 
I'm no expert...
If the base is precision one piece, I would find it hard to believe there could be enough "off" to require lapping the lugs when using precision rings. I've never lapped the rings on any of my mounts. But as the saying goes...it sure couldn't hurt...

What did you end up getting for rifle...stock-wise?
 
I'd initially wanted the 10FP with Macmillan, but after looking around I've seen a great deal on a new FCP-K which has the muzzle breaker on, but factory stock. I've decided to get that and if I find it not up to scratch then I'll look around at alternatives.

I'm reluctant to dismiss the Savage stock just because it's often the griping point of others because I figure that it may fit my build as comfortably as any other, and I can always fit another down the road when my budget is a little replenished.
 
I'd go to a gun shop and try to handle a few rifles before you buy. You may find that an accustock fits you perfectly, or you may find that the McMillan is worth the extra money.

Jimro
 
Which scope did you get ?

Did you get a scope yet ? I know you said that you wanted a Leupold Mk 4 LRT, but I did not see in any of your subsequent post if you had one yet.
 
Yes, I went with a Mark 4 LRT and received it in the mail just this week... I'm seriously looking forwards to getting this all put together and heading down to the range to sight it in...

I'd love to have the luxury of trying out the different stocks, and set myself that goal last weekend. I went around nearly all the local gun stores but there were not many Savages at all and I wasn't able to find any that were HS Precision / Macmillan which I believe are the 2 alternatives on a new purchase beyond the default.

If I find I can't live with the AccuStock then I'll have to just head on a weekend trip down to Dallas to find the perfect stock but that'll have to be in the new year I think.
 
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