Californiana, another monkey wrench.

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Just go and get as many of those registration forms as you can get your hands on and hang on to 'em or trash 'em but don't send 'em in.

Remember, what I'm saying is not against the law because the constitution guarantees you an uninfringed right to bear arms. Any attmept by a local, state, or federal government to the contrary is a violation of that and you are not bound by unconstitutional laws.
 
Welcome to The Firing Line, AFB. :)

Thanks for posting the follow-up to the last "civil disobedience" thread. I agree that we are not required to comply with unconstitutional laws. As a matter of fact, I believe that we have a constitutional obligation to peacefully disobey laws that are against the highest man-made law in the land.
 
FreeBird,

Not from 'Bama are you?

Anyway, no need to trash the forms, but that isn't a bad idea. I'm strating to think things ought to be handled as follows:

I. If you do decide to register.
A. Send the form in on December 15th. Swamp the staff for the holidays.

II. Decide to register fake.
A. Up side.
1. Causes CA DOJ problems
2. Voices your anger
3. Could mess up their database
B. Down side
1. Costs $20
a. Use money order
b. On form, use fake name, add, weapon.
2. You must declare under penalty of perjury that info is "true and complete"
a. A way around is for out of state folks to send in the fake forms.
1. Gota get the forms to out of state volunteers.
C. Send it in December 15th as well.

III. Your a 'tweener'. You don't want to register, but you still want some cover.
A. Do what the Canadians do.
1. Photo copy completed form.
2. Get $20 money order- us cash.
3. Get reciept as if you were sending priority mail.
4. If ever have problems, say you sent it in, you have photo copy, mail receipt, money order receipt. Must have been a 'RAT' mess up!

IV. Do nothing. Currently it seems only 6,000 of est. 200,000 rifles meeting the 'AW' criteria have been registered.

Just the thought process I have in my head right now.

madison


[This message has been edited by madison46 (edited September 29, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by madison46 (edited September 29, 2000).]
 
Let's not forget the "Voluntary" Firearms and Handgun registration forms posted either.

If you want to register your firearms:

1) Wait until December 15th
2) Use the Voluntary Firearms form

Not only is it cheaper ($14 instead of $20. It is also shorter and less involved. Besides, how were you to know any different?

Bonus points: The California registration system will actually show that you really did try to register your firearm

For everyone else:

The voluntary forms are cheaper, require no fingerprints, and are available online.

Personally, I think the focus should still be on the AW forms though since they will likely be the next up for confiscation.
 
Hmmmm....

If I were in California and just a little too cowardly to risk jail for this one, I would register my gun and pay in person.

In pennies.

Unjacketed.

"Legal tender for all debts, public and private" means they can't turn your pennies away. And pennies are a pain in the neck for them to handle ... which translates to increased administration costs.

Every little bit helps.

pax

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." -- Frederick Douglas
 
Pax -

Just in case anyone tries your idea - There's a federal law on the books that says that any party can decline a monetary transaction that contains more than six pennies.

Found out about this a few years back when a Virginia resident payed off his entire state tax bill in unrolled nickels.

So use nickels.

:D

Later,
Chris

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Bart,

Your right.

madison
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="arial,helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartholomew Roberts:
Let's not forget the "Voluntary" Firearms and Handgun registration forms posted either.

If you want to register your firearms:

1) Wait until December 15th
2) Use the Voluntary Firearms form

Not only is it cheaper ($14 instead of $20. It is also shorter and less involved. Besides, how were you to know any different?

Bonus points: The California registration system will actually show that you really did try to register your firearm

For everyone else:

The voluntary forms are cheaper, require no fingerprints, and are available online.

Personally, I think the focus should still be on the AW forms though since they will likely be the next up for confiscation.
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Not only do they want you to register but they want to charge you for the service as well? WTF for?



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FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
 
Welcome to the board.

This is good because when you guys are defending yourself in court and after years of fighting the system and hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe we will get a good case to the Supreme Court.
 
I unfortunatly live in Kalifornia and have an evil HK MK23 with the threaded barrel.
I don't know If I will register or not.
If I don't then I will become a law breaker,
Something I don't want to be.
I guess I could not register and keep it in my gun safe, but thats no good, I like to shoot it at the range.
I shoot at the Police Range and this could present some problems If IT is not registered.
Boy what a decision...
I didn't spend a couple of grand on a MK23 for nefarious actions...
 
Dakodakid, you have to do what you think is best, but I can guarandamntee you that once you register it, it is only a matter of time until they confiscate it.That is the object: eventual confiscation of ALL guns from the "verministic serfs." Step by step by step by step by step by step.

It's not a matter of "if," it's merely a matter of "when."

The communistnazis control Kalif., and they have no intentnion of allowing the filty vermin to have ANY Rights, much less the Right to defend oneself.

Don't expect to be paid but a tiny pittance (if that) when they tell you to turn in your registered guns (or be destroyed or murdered by their GestapoKGB). They'll "reward" you by allowing you to live under their control.

The Locomotives Continue Racing Toward Each Other.

J.B.
 
My paltry $.02 on the registration issue...

1) I know of no crime that has ever been prevented by the registration of a legally acquired firearm.

2) Given that item (1) is true, those that mandate registration must have a different reason.

3) Old cliche' - "If you give the mouse a cookie, he'll next want a glass of milk."

4) Once precedent is established, future rules and laws are upheld based upon that precedence.

5) Never feed the mice. Ever. It only encourages them.

Cliff
 
DAKODAKID: If you register it, you are only a peasant begging your masters for a few more months or years permission to openly shoot your rifle at the range. The Detatch Mag SKSs were registered one year and (surprise!) outlawed the next, the same will happen with your rifle. Time to prepare to cache it with ammo for a rainy day.
 
This would be an individual choice that only they can live with. All I will say is this:

NY = Registration in NYC... confiscation in NYC

California = Registration in kali.... confiscation in kali

D.C. = Registration, Confiscation, except for the "elite"

I'm sure there are more states with this track record, just listed the most well known.

And even if they don't confiscate, once you pay for your priviledge then the next year, it may be a few buxs higher, then higher, then higher. They MAKE you give them your money (taxes), what makes you think they won't MAKE you "voluntarily" give up your guns due to the high cost of fees?

And lastly, the quote about becoming a criminal or still being "law-abiding". We are ALL criminals under the eyes of the government (state and federal). With so many laws, statues, EO's, etc.. on the books today, there is NO WAY to obey each one, every day. There are still laws from the late 1800's, early 1900's, still in effect. The State of Florida is a prime example of how they will use these laws to jail someone so they (the doj) doesn't look like idiots (even through they still look like idiots).

USP45usp
 
If I don't register I could keep it in my gun safe but that wouldn't be any fun, I bought It to shoot!!!
I could still go to the range and take my chances.
I could send It out-of state to my Parents gun-friendly state.
I could get a new barrel with no threads or remove the existing ones on a lathe...
This really sucks, After shooting this for a couple of years I am really getting good with it, almost have it mastered..
I guess It's a free country if you can aford to live here.
Hell in Kalifornia rich folks get ccw's all day long.
I am not politically connected high enough.

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ACCOUNT FOR EVERY SHOT
AND MAKE EVERY SHOT COUNT
 
DAKODAKID:

Your choice. Here's the way I would go FWIW

A. Do what the Canadians do.
1. Photo copy completed form.
2. Get $20 money order- us cash.
3. Get reciept as if you were sending priority mail.
4. If ever have problems, say you sent it in, you have photo copy, mail receipt, money order receipt. Must have been a 'RAT' mess up!

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DAKODAKID:
If I don't register I could keep it in my gun safe but that wouldn't be any fun, I bought It to shoot!!!
I could still go to the range and take my chances.
I could send It out-of state to my Parents gun-friendly state.
I could get a new barrel with no threads or remove the existing ones on a lathe...
This really sucks, After shooting this for a couple of years I am really getting good with it, almost have it mastered..
I guess It's a free country if you can aford to live here.
Hell in Kalifornia rich folks get ccw's all day long.
I am not politically connected high enough.

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What do you have to do to show that while you out for the weekend hunting with your
black powder rifle (etc.) your AR-15 was stolen.
Their wasnt much sign of a break in because they used a loose window, broke one you name it.
The few hunters I talk to that often tell me they tend to lose all kinds of rifles when their going through thick brush.
Sit it down to scout around few mintues later
wam or simply didnt secure it well enough when climbing up the side of the mountain or
going down the river in a boat.
 
If you decide not to register your "assault weapon," don't keep it on your property. I've spoken with someone who works with a hi-tech security firm, who says there are scanners available now that can look through even a metal gun safe wall and see what kind of guns you have. From the street in front of your house.

Don't bury them in your backyard for the same reason.

Properly prepare your weapon (and one or two thousand rounds of ammo) for long-term storage, and cache it somewhere off your property, where you're pretty darn sure no one will find it but you.

Wait until the next revolution, and hope it will be a peaceful one.

--The Beez
 
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September 30, 2000


Citizens need guns for their protection
By Bill Ferguson

(Published September 23, 2000 in The Fresno Bee, http://www.fresnobee.com/)

I just got off the phone with the California Department of Justice in Sacramento. It is responsible for enforcing the California Assault Weapons Registration law, set to go into effect Jan. 1. I asked how many of the roughly 200,000 legal owners of such weapons, now legally classified as "dangerous," had registered them under this law. As of Aug. 31, about 6,000. What does this mean to the people of California?

Those who favor gun control will tell you gun owners are a lawless bunch and are the cause of crime. Law-abiding gun owners will tell you they fear a government that can easily confiscate legally purchased firearms that have never been used in crimes. Regardless of who is right, we are faced with an act of civil disobedience unprecedented in state history.

Unless a deluge of gun owners are waiting until the last minute, we will have over 190,000 new criminals as of the first of the year facing misdemeanor charges.

Criminals are exempt

Unfortunately, convicted felons are exempt from this law. They cannot be prosecuted for failing to register or for possession of an unregistered weapon, as that would violate their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination. While this is certainly discriminatory, the bigger question is, why would politicians pass a law that doesn't apply to criminals?

Gun control is not about crime; it's about rights. Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, with full support from Bill Clinton and Al Gore, constantly pound out plans to remove guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens, but absent from their many schemes are plans to remove guns from criminals. They obviously believe legally owned, lawfully used guns are the problem. If gun control is not about crime control, it must be about something else.

Sen. Feinstein and state Sen. Don Perata, the author of the registration law, have concealed-carry permits. Outspoken gun- control advocate Rosie O'Donnell thinks it's OK for her bodyguard to carry a gun, while Clinton and Gore will have Secret Service protection forever. While these prominent public figures have protection few working-class Americans will ever afford, they clearly believe the little people cannot be trusted to make sound judgments concerning the proper possession, storage and use of firearms. This attitude cannot be construed as anything but liberal elitism. What are the facts concerning civilian gun use?

In defending themselves with firearms, Americans kill 2,000- 3,000 criminals each year; three times the number killed by police. Private citizens mistakenly kill innocent victims 2% of the times they shoot someone. The error rate is 11% for police; five times as high. It's rare that a woman, confronted by a man with a knife, would shoot the wrong person.

Firearms kill 30,000 people each year, including suicides and murders committed by criminals. Firearms are used to defend citizens up to 2.5 million times a year, over 6,000 times a day, and in 98% of those cases, no one gets shot; either a warning shot of merely displaying the weapon is enough to deter the criminal, according to Yale Law School professor John Lott. Any fair analysis of firearms must include their benefits as well as the evil they do.

Jeffrey Snyder, in his 1993 essay, "A Nation of Cowards", (see http://rkba.org/comment/cowards.html) wrote, "While it may well be true that a society in which crime is so rare that no one ever needs to carry a weapon is civilized, a society that stigmatizes the carrying of weapons by the law- abiding, because it distrusts its citizens more then it fears rapists, robbers and murderers cannot claim this distinction."

What will come of our new class of "criminal" gun owners? The same thing that will happen to their weapons. Either we change the law or they'll be taken away. Politicians who enable this are the real danger here; not your neighbors who own guns.

Bill Ferguson is a resident of Fresno, California.


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The next move for the CA legislature is to make the possesion of an illegal weapons a felony or to simply lable such persons gunsmugglers.
We'll all be felons.



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liberty for security deserve neither"
 
ruger 45
good thing the ruger 45 is not on the "evil gun" list.....
Wouldn't want an evil assault weapon rising up on its own and wreaking havoc!!!!!
You convinced me...
I am sending my MK23 out of state to a current "gun friendly" state....
May locate my family there soon also...
Kommiefornia is just getting too ridiculous..
 
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