California screwed as Bill 357 & 352 march on
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IZinterrogator
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All I know is that I'm a native, and I'm not going back 
. Not even for an advanced Arabic class at Club Med, uh, I mean the Defense Language Institute... 
. Not even for an advanced Arabic class at Club Med, uh, I mean the Defense Language Institute... Guy B. Meredith
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IZinterrogator,
You've GOT to be kidding about skipping DLI. Has to be the coolest duty possible. Particularly in 1967 with the Monterey Pop Festival running, hippies in Big Sur and you're USAF in Army territory.
You've GOT to be kidding about skipping DLI. Has to be the coolest duty possible. Particularly in 1967 with the Monterey Pop Festival running, hippies in Big Sur and you're USAF in Army territory.
And note the tone of the first sentence under the editorial control of Rupert Murdoch's FOX.
I would add too that the whole point of this "bullet serial number" nonsense is to:
a) Drive up the cost of ammo skyhigh.
b) Create a database of gunowners and their ammo. It must be so, since without such a database - the numbers on any recovered bullets are meaningless.
c) Create a problem selling ammo privately from one person to another.
d) Expand the State bureaucracy.
CobrayCommando
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Glock owners are out of luck then, they can't use cast bullets 
Re CobrayCommando:
Glock owners are out of luck then, they can't use cast bullets
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Not quite accurat
Cast bullets (lead alloys) are "not compatable" with thed type of rifling (polygonal) used in Glock made b This is not the same as "can't use", and besides, if ohe is really careful about cleaning the barrel, one most definately can use cast bullets in Glock's. Another alternative is "after market barrels", of which there are several makes.
More important than the foregoing is the following, and I do not really intend to come across like some smart ass. Given the nature of what California voters repeatedly send to Sacramento, the sort of people they elect to the state legislature, and reelect thereto, they must really enjoy the screwing that their elected things keep delivering.
By the way, while that obviously applies to California gun owners, it applies to others too, for even in California, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Matter of fact, one could be described as at least fairly lucky to actually get that which they have paid for.
Glock owners are out of luck then, they can't use cast bullets
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Not quite accurat
Cast bullets (lead alloys) are "not compatable" with thed type of rifling (polygonal) used in Glock made b This is not the same as "can't use", and besides, if ohe is really careful about cleaning the barrel, one most definately can use cast bullets in Glock's. Another alternative is "after market barrels", of which there are several makes.
More important than the foregoing is the following, and I do not really intend to come across like some smart ass. Given the nature of what California voters repeatedly send to Sacramento, the sort of people they elect to the state legislature, and reelect thereto, they must really enjoy the screwing that their elected things keep delivering.
By the way, while that obviously applies to California gun owners, it applies to others too, for even in California, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Matter of fact, one could be described as at least fairly lucky to actually get that which they have paid for.
California is going totalitarian
Of course no one from the ACLU was quoted for the article. They would be concerned if gang members, NAMBLA members and paroled sex offenders were affected, but law abiding gun owners, noooo.
I thought that California already had a weapon to use to combat gun crime, which according to the article, was the reason to consider the chip. I thought that there were ways to almost immediately narrow down the precise location where shots are coming from using some sort of high-tech gadget. Hasn't anyone else heard of these devices?
It seems to me that the bad, evil, gun is actually being used less in crimes. Many articles cite blunt objects, fists, bats, feet, knives, hands and other improvised weapons to end lives. Has a study been done lately to see the rate of firearm crimes related to the number of guns owned. Perhaps a crack-down on (so-called) FFL's who were dealing guns out of their houses to anybody with no questions asked. I remember reading in the LA Times a few years back how one "FFL" had sold something like over 4000 guns in this manner, and something like 100+ firearm murders were linked to his guns. (Don't quote me as I might not have the numbers correct). The point is, the firearm-rights groups need to come up with statistics to show that US gun-owners are mostly law-abiding.
There are thousands more vehicle deaths than firearms deaths every year. There are more firearms than vehicles in the US. A vehicle is not even designed to be a destructive device. Yet, the anti-crowd wants to have firearms companies sued for defective products, while auto manufacturers make such shoddy products that more people die from using them than a product that is known to kill. I'll have to find me a lawyer!
Of course no one from the ACLU was quoted for the article. They would be concerned if gang members, NAMBLA members and paroled sex offenders were affected, but law abiding gun owners, noooo.
I thought that California already had a weapon to use to combat gun crime, which according to the article, was the reason to consider the chip. I thought that there were ways to almost immediately narrow down the precise location where shots are coming from using some sort of high-tech gadget. Hasn't anyone else heard of these devices?
It seems to me that the bad, evil, gun is actually being used less in crimes. Many articles cite blunt objects, fists, bats, feet, knives, hands and other improvised weapons to end lives. Has a study been done lately to see the rate of firearm crimes related to the number of guns owned. Perhaps a crack-down on (so-called) FFL's who were dealing guns out of their houses to anybody with no questions asked. I remember reading in the LA Times a few years back how one "FFL" had sold something like over 4000 guns in this manner, and something like 100+ firearm murders were linked to his guns. (Don't quote me as I might not have the numbers correct). The point is, the firearm-rights groups need to come up with statistics to show that US gun-owners are mostly law-abiding.
There are thousands more vehicle deaths than firearms deaths every year. There are more firearms than vehicles in the US. A vehicle is not even designed to be a destructive device. Yet, the anti-crowd wants to have firearms companies sued for defective products, while auto manufacturers make such shoddy products that more people die from using them than a product that is known to kill. I'll have to find me a lawyer!
"I thought that there were ways to almost immediately narrow down the precise location where shots are coming from using some sort of high-tech gadget. Hasn't anyone else heard of these devices?"
The city of East Palo Alto tried such a device for a time (and they need it) but decided that it gave too many false alarms to be useful.
"The point is, the firearm-rights groups need to come up with statistics to show that US gun-owners are mostly law-abiding."
Culcune, the problem is not how to show that most gun owners are good guys. That's actually easy, and such a statistical argument might work on your friends and acquaintances who are genuinely trying to understand the problem.
The problem is that the people we really have to worry about, the Kennedys, Feinsteins, Schumers, *don't care* that the vast majority of gun owners are honest, law-abiding citizens. They simply hate guns and want to get rid of them. Logical arguments don't work.
Tim
The city of East Palo Alto tried such a device for a time (and they need it) but decided that it gave too many false alarms to be useful.
"The point is, the firearm-rights groups need to come up with statistics to show that US gun-owners are mostly law-abiding."
Culcune, the problem is not how to show that most gun owners are good guys. That's actually easy, and such a statistical argument might work on your friends and acquaintances who are genuinely trying to understand the problem.
The problem is that the people we really have to worry about, the Kennedys, Feinsteins, Schumers, *don't care* that the vast majority of gun owners are honest, law-abiding citizens. They simply hate guns and want to get rid of them. Logical arguments don't work.
Tim
In California, the voters don't select their represenatives, the representatives select their voters.
Check out some of the districts down in Los Angeles, for example. The districts are shaped like amoebas to pluck out Democrats hither and yon, and break up Republican influence, to the point where not a single seat changed hands in the last elections.
Californians tried to get a measure on the ballot to insure fair districts, but the court struck down the petition.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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I can think of a couple of ways to mark bullets and cases. The same for chambers in any given gun that'd do the job for stamping brass under pressure, eliminating the easy switch-out fix of a filed firing pin, although it doesn't preclude barrel/cylinder swaps.
Cheap.
Easy.
Infinitely adjustable for a gazillion different numbers/codes/what-have-you.
With an existing technology.
Probably even with existing machines, no less.
It's called laser-etching. Lasers can be controlled to amazing levels of microscopic precision with modern control systems. Lasers can cut through 3/8" thick high-speed steel with a kerf less than 1/16" thick in whatever shape you might want, so they oughta be able to handle carving dinkum little symbols into ornance steel with little effort, never mind lead or gilding-metal. With a bit of easy configuring of fiber-optics, an etching-head could be arranged to reach any given part of a chamber/barrel/you-name-it, making casual mark-removal decidedly difficult.
Digital technology to cycle the code/number symbology in an eyeblink's time, and another blink to etch. I shouldn't imagine it'd be over-hard to etch even the inside of jacket material before swaging, on a constant-run production basis.
Given the current state of microchip-manufacturing imaging technology, I don't even see it requiring a whole lot of re-engineering. Granted, chip imaging is a different proccess entirely, but it certainly proves an existing level of imaging technique that provides huge amounts of info in a tiny environment to an amazing degree of complexity and reliability.
Now, none of this does a darn thing to mitigate the logistical nightmare that tracking all this info would entail, but unlike the "ballistic fingerprint" bushwah from awhile back, this doesn't entail maintaining a database of physical samples, just a database of digital info.
Computer and information storage and manipulation is (A) already immensely powerful, and (B) growing by leaps and bounds on a daily basis. Keeping track of what amounts to a gazillion-squared different numbers around guns/ammo/components is eminentely do-able.
Folks, Silicon Valley lives in this idiotic state. It's what we do BEST.
One saving grace is the private-party transfer exception to micro-grafitti implementation, but that can be labeled a "loophole" in a heartbeat. If the "safe list" becomes the ONLY list of transferable guns within the state, all the existing guns become like our 'assault weapons', subject to sale out-of-state only. In a generation or two, most of the existing handgun supply is history.
Nice of Kaliforny to outsource what we regard as 'problem guns' to the rest of the country, ain't it? Not "safe enough" for OUR pretentious ideals, as they're too easy for criminals to abuse, so we'll just dump 'em on you folks. Just so long as they're not in OUR backyard, it's outta sight, outta mind, and the devil take YOUR state. All our guns are SAFE.
Oh, except for all those guns that the criminals kept. We just refuse to talk about those. They smear the lenses of the rose-colored glasses, you see. And it's rude to pop people's illusionary bubbles. Musn't frighten the sheep...
We're setting up OSHA for criminals in the world's sixth largest economy, and where some of the nicest places to live that EXIST in America are located. I just don't get it...
Why are we giving it the worst part of human society with a shiny yellow bow and a big smile??
We're doomed. Where's that friggin earthquake we're due for?...
:barf: 
Cheap.
Easy.
Infinitely adjustable for a gazillion different numbers/codes/what-have-you.
With an existing technology.
Probably even with existing machines, no less.
It's called laser-etching. Lasers can be controlled to amazing levels of microscopic precision with modern control systems. Lasers can cut through 3/8" thick high-speed steel with a kerf less than 1/16" thick in whatever shape you might want, so they oughta be able to handle carving dinkum little symbols into ornance steel with little effort, never mind lead or gilding-metal. With a bit of easy configuring of fiber-optics, an etching-head could be arranged to reach any given part of a chamber/barrel/you-name-it, making casual mark-removal decidedly difficult.
Digital technology to cycle the code/number symbology in an eyeblink's time, and another blink to etch. I shouldn't imagine it'd be over-hard to etch even the inside of jacket material before swaging, on a constant-run production basis.
Given the current state of microchip-manufacturing imaging technology, I don't even see it requiring a whole lot of re-engineering. Granted, chip imaging is a different proccess entirely, but it certainly proves an existing level of imaging technique that provides huge amounts of info in a tiny environment to an amazing degree of complexity and reliability.
Now, none of this does a darn thing to mitigate the logistical nightmare that tracking all this info would entail, but unlike the "ballistic fingerprint" bushwah from awhile back, this doesn't entail maintaining a database of physical samples, just a database of digital info.
Computer and information storage and manipulation is (A) already immensely powerful, and (B) growing by leaps and bounds on a daily basis. Keeping track of what amounts to a gazillion-squared different numbers around guns/ammo/components is eminentely do-able.
Folks, Silicon Valley lives in this idiotic state. It's what we do BEST.
One saving grace is the private-party transfer exception to micro-grafitti implementation, but that can be labeled a "loophole" in a heartbeat. If the "safe list" becomes the ONLY list of transferable guns within the state, all the existing guns become like our 'assault weapons', subject to sale out-of-state only. In a generation or two, most of the existing handgun supply is history.
Nice of Kaliforny to outsource what we regard as 'problem guns' to the rest of the country, ain't it? Not "safe enough" for OUR pretentious ideals, as they're too easy for criminals to abuse, so we'll just dump 'em on you folks. Just so long as they're not in OUR backyard, it's outta sight, outta mind, and the devil take YOUR state. All our guns are SAFE.
Oh, except for all those guns that the criminals kept. We just refuse to talk about those. They smear the lenses of the rose-colored glasses, you see. And it's rude to pop people's illusionary bubbles. Musn't frighten the sheep...
We're setting up OSHA for criminals in the world's sixth largest economy, and where some of the nicest places to live that EXIST in America are located. I just don't get it...
Why are we giving it the worst part of human society with a shiny yellow bow and a big smile??
We're doomed. Where's that friggin earthquake we're due for?...
:barf: Funny thing, actualy it's rather sad, but I lived in Oakland and Berkley during the late 1960's and early part of 1970, about 2.5 years all told.
While it had it's problems, like most other places, it was rather pleasant, all in all. I sometimes wonder as to exactly what the hell happened. Where did things go so sour, and how did they happen to go that way?
I haven't lived in California in many years, though my wife and I have visited visit San Francisco for a week or so each year for a while now. It's a nice walking, eating, drinking town, they haven't screwed that aspect of things up.
Both sad and curioius, what's happened, and what seems to be happening is worse.
While it had it's problems, like most other places, it was rather pleasant, all in all. I sometimes wonder as to exactly what the hell happened. Where did things go so sour, and how did they happen to go that way?
I haven't lived in California in many years, though my wife and I have visited visit San Francisco for a week or so each year for a while now. It's a nice walking, eating, drinking town, they haven't screwed that aspect of things up.
Both sad and curioius, what's happened, and what seems to be happening is worse.
I left the golden state
I left CA about 8 years ago after an a undocumented person hit me at a stop light. Cost me about 1000.000$ its a great state.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Years ago you could but pistols at a store any place in the state. Just a yellow form and if I remeber 3 day wait. So goes the whole USA........ DOWN. I have said for years we who belive in freedom shoul move to a un populated state and take over.................
OUT...---... ...---...
I left CA about 8 years ago after an a undocumented person hit me at a stop light. Cost me about 1000.000$ its a great state.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Years ago you could but pistols at a store any place in the state. Just a yellow form and if I remeber 3 day wait. So goes the whole USA........ DOWN. I have said for years we who belive in freedom shoul move to a un populated state and take over.................
OUT...---... ...---...