California passes ammo permit fee, background check

Talked with my brother in CA and he is weighing his options of what to. Moving is not an option as wife loves it there. He said there is another bill not yet voted that would make all semis illegal, not just magazine rfiles. So his Garand and Benneli SBE might be at risk in not too distant future.

This is going to affect millions of rifles I suspect just in CA. There are a lot of guys that have AR15, M1As, M1 carbines, Mini-14/30, SKS, let alone the BAR, Rem 740/7400. I can't imagine 100% of those gun owners will turn in 1005 of subjected rifles or register them. I would guess a good many will choose to tuck at least of them away just in case and risk becoming a felon if caught with them. That is a darn hard choice to force a law-abiding citizen to make, especially for younger guys with families.

Is there anything in the bill that affects handloaders? Can powder and primers still be purchased anonymously in state? Will components still be able to be purchased online?
 
^ the problem with registration is they know who has those banned weapons (since they were fine before the new legislation). I foresee a lot of boats sinking (I like to take all of my guns with me, when I go boating).

"Though the people were free, few functions of goverment were performered by them." -Cicero (about the worlds first voting republic)

It's becoming more and more apparent we live in a police state.
 
Sierra280 said:
I have heard of LEO's hanging out in the cabelas parking lot, during big sales, and stopping people with CA plates when the load up the car with guns. Our cabelas is less than 10 (maybe 5) miles from the stateline. All the bigger stores check ID's though.
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It's against federal law for them to sell a handgun to a resident of another state, and it's also against federal law for them to sell a rifle or shotgun to a resident of a state where that firearm is illegal. I highly doubt a company like Cabela's would break federal laws like that.
 
OK, so since this bill is about the ammo permit bill, SB 53, I'll post this here --

SB53 is dead. Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, who has been an amazing advocate of 2A rights (the Assembly in CA contains far more pro-2A members than the Senate), posted on his newsletter:

Assemblyman Tim Donnelly said:
2 hours ago · Sacramento
More GOOD NEWS....we killed SB 53, the ammo permit bill that amounted to a poll tax on the 2nd Amendment has been put on the inactive file....Hurrah Colorado!!! Keep your powder dry. Godspeed
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Lots of fail in this thread.
1. SB 374 (the AW ban) applies only to centerfire rifles and shotguns. The language banning rimfires was stricken out by amendment. The bill still has to be signed by the Governor to become law.

2. All newly defined assault weapons will remain legal to own, but will have to be registered by July 2015. The internet pundits are still arguing about whether it will be permissible to remove bullet buttons, since it is now just another AW--and AWs legally obtained prior to 2001 are still legal and do not have BBs. Playing with fire if you ask me, but tht discussion is for the future.

3. It's not just black rifles. It's Ruger minis, M1 Carbines, basically any semiauto rifle that can accept a mag. Bye bye Browning, bye bye. Yeah, it's bad. Brown has until mid-October to veto, and then the Legislature has an opportunity to vote for an override if he does. I assume there will be a rush either way to buy before the opportunity evaporates. Time to buy or at least put away a few 80% lowers.

4. Pistol carbines are already defined as AWs if they have two or more "evil features", i.e., a pistol grip plus a flash suppressor or a detachable mag or a thing that goes up etc. No CX-4 or that new Taurus for us Californians. (I just checked on this at a local LGS today.)

5. The ammo bill did initially pass the Senate, but it failed three votes in the Assembly after several amendments, which would be enough to kill it, except that its author won a vote to have it reconsidered, and then withdrew it. So no ammo permit this session, but it will be back. There is already a law on the boos declaring that handgun ammo can be sold only in a FTF transaction with ID (and thumbprint, if I recall) plus a record of the same--however that law was held void for vagueness and is still pending on appeal. Because of that appeal, Brown vetoed a bill very similar to the this one last year. The fight will continue.
 
"I have heard of LEO's hanging out in the cabelas parking lot, during big sales, and stopping people with CA plates when the load up the car with guns. Our cabelas is less than 10 (maybe 5) miles from the stateline."

Close, but not quite. They have been reported to be hanging out at gun shows in Nevada, not with respect to ammo, but private purchase firearms where the seller did not ask for ID. Vehicles are then stopped in California and the contraband "unsafe" firearms confiscated and the purchasers arrested. You CAN purchase a handgun in another state, but it must be shipped to an FFL in the state of the buyer's residence to complete the DROS, and the handgun must be legal to possess in that jurisdiction. You CANNOT take possess
 
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