Cabela's sees the light, blowout sale on Remington 1858

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here's a post found elsewhere on the net, in regard to BP C-B and cartridge import quality through the years, interesting timeline:

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"I have had several Uberti guns, and several Armi San Marco, and I have the reverse opinion. It all depends on the model, when they were made and who the importer was. For long arms Uberti is the best. For C&B pistols the 1860 Army, Centennial Arms Importer, made in Belgium, under Colt License. Made from 1959 thru 1965, Cost $89.95. (1961) Navy Arms for the 1851 Colt Navy, Made from 1959. Uberti could be the Manufacture, doesn't say. but the quality is there, and the cost was $59.95. (1962). A Colt SAA was $125. in 1959. I also have a recent 1851 Navy Arms Uberti and it is not the same quality as the first one.

For cartridge guns I have had 5 Navy Arms of which I believe four were Uberti, and 1 Jager (bad.) The 2 1875 Remington's 1 stamped Replica Arms, the other Navy Arms both in Navy Arms Boxes bought new. (1972-74) The second (Uberti) in 44-40 the cylinder won't rotate when all the cartridges were fired. Went back 3 times until Navy Arms exchanged it for an EMF Uberti and the ejector housing screw stripped out after 20 rounds. That was fixed by EMF 2 tries but now there is a slight space between the web and the frame and the EMF has a blade front sight vs. a post. Uberti SAA finish is not that of ASM, and appears to have a slight problem as the 1875 44-40 only in one chamber with Remington brass The 1866 Carbine the stock finish is weak and has a small knot in it. Functions perfectly, (1973)

Decided to try EMF 4 SAA, Hartford Models, one looks like the Deluxe model, (Armi San Marco 1994-97) Finish Perfect, rivals my Colt 1973 Centennial, all actions perfect except ONE. That when unloading the cylinder doesn't line up with the loading gate. Upon firing a box of Factory Ammo, Front Sight came off. Back to EMF fixed the sight couldn't fix the loading gate problem, gave me a free set of Colt "rubber" Grips. The EMF,1866 Rifle by Uberti Perfect. Also have EMF's 1892 by ASM (1998 or 99) Perfect. Finish is better than then 1892 reintroduction by Winchester.

To sum it up, you can get a good one or a bad one. With the imports it depends on the importer, if they have good quality control or bad, if the importer doesn't complain, the manufacturer ships junk. Navy Arms was real quality to start with and then went down hill, or did Uberti."
 
>>>Thanks for posting the sale Captain, but you're continued ranting on Italian C&B gun metallurgy grows old. Please consider a couple of points:

1. These guns have been selling at prices the market will bear, else they wouldn't be selling.
2. The materials used have proven adequate for the purpose. Maybe just barely adequate in some cases, but adequate nonetheless. If this were not true, we'd be seeing kabooms and/or the guns would prove so unreliable, people wouldn't buy them.
3. The manufacturer's QC, while leaving something to be desired, is adequate. If not they wouldn't be selling guns.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Hey y'all, sure seems like some of your replies to Captain Complaint are getting pretty rude. Just me talkin'...

V/R,
Oly
 
Hey y'all, sure seems like some of your replies to Captain Complaint are getting pretty rude.
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I'm not going to be rude to him, but I grow weary of him going on and on and on, while ignoring some very obvious facts. Seems most of us are well aware of the limitations of the Italian C&B gun manufacturers, yet we continue to buy a lot of their guns, while complaining only mildly. I figure that anyone as personally affronted by the quality of these guns as the Captain seems to be, should simply avoid them, rather than launch a one-man crusade.
 
Hey y'all, sure seems like some of your replies to Captain Complaint are getting pretty rude. Just me talkin'...
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That would be me. I just get tired of the same old rants over and over again. He obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about half the time.







I think it's time to put the good Captain on ignore before I say what I really think.
 
Here's a pic of the fabeled coupon book, I dressed it up with a a couple of sixguns
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WOW and im sure when i go on the internet December 15 or so i will see the same exact price. Every year we go through the same thing. The best prices from cabelas by far are right at xmas time.
 
I will only say that I bought a Pietta '58 a couple years ago from a "Grand Opening" or somesuch at a store in, I think, Wisconsin.

Poster here gave a code number, called the store, they accepted the number and sent me the revolver. At the sale price.

Bad news is that it had a big gouge in the barrel (Cap, It slipped past QC, but it was purely cosmetic.), called them, complained. They said send it back, they would replace. I asked if I could take it to W VA store, brand new? They said no problem.

Hadn't been to the store, wanted to visit it, so the 3 gallons of 2 buck gas was no biggie. Spent about 5 hours there, bought some other stuff.

They gave me a new revolver, I was allowed to take from the wrappings and inspect thoroughly, and I was happy.

Problem was, and it too was no biggie, I bought over the phone, Wisconsin store. Cabelas had no presence in PA so no sales tax. Replacement was made in W VA, and I had to pay W VA sales tax, 9 bucks or so.

They are pleasant to deal with.

As mentioned above, and as warned a year or more ago, the dollar was falling against ALL other currencies. Of COURSE the price in dollars would increase.

I'm a cheapskate. I buy them. I also buy cartridge guns, for way more, in today's dollars.

I think they are for the most part rightly priced. I DO buy on the auctions when I can get a "bargain". My Walker was, to me, a "bargain" at less than 300 for an all but "NIB" piece.

And I do not think the thing is made from "Mushy steel"! Nor are the "brassies made from "scrap brass".

The "Cap'n" thinks they should all be made from tool steel. Tool steel, HARD steel, is brittle. Holding ANY explosion calls for steel or brass with tensile strength. Stretch and recover. If it can't stretch, it will split and burst.

A bearing is hard as hell, but an impact will shatter it.

I think in the '40's or '50's, P. O. Ackley turned an ought six barrel to leave 1/16 wall over the rifling and shot the rifle to prove you did not NEED all that steel to contain even smokeless powder pressures. That is evident with our BP and even smokeless powders and 1/16 thick cylinder chamber walls.

Most of these revolvers are safe. If an arbor loosens, face it, I doubt very much that the originals, with inferior steel, EVER shot as many rounds as we lovers of BP shoot one even one weekend shoot, in a lifetime.

The only shootist I have read of who shot daily was Wild Bill Hickok, who alledgedly shot his guns every day and reloaded them. Most did not shoot regularly. Their guns did not get nearly as much excercise as ours do, today.

Even Hickok, 6 or 12 rounds per day, 42 to 84 rounds per week, is less than almost all of our posters claim, that is one or two pistols, and I don't know if he carried two as a habit.

WE are not buying junk, I don't care what the Cap'n is trying to sell.

Cheers,

George
 
I was at the Cabela's in Post Falls, Idaho yesterday & I got talking to a guy who was buying the Rem. '58 .44 for $169 with coupon. They actually had them for a regular price of $199 in the cabinet so, technically you only save $30......still, a pretty good deal.
 
Cabela's will refund the difference for any item that goes on sale within 30 days of you buying it. This applies to guns too. I bought a Ruger MKIII that was on sale. They had a lower sales price the next month. I just went to the service counter with the ad for the lower price and my receipt and they gave me back the difference.

So are these Pietta's pretty good? I don't have a bp and have been thinking of getting one. At $209 with the starter kit it seems like a reasonable price to add a bp to the collection.

I see that Midway has the same gun for $264 without the starter kit.
 
The Pietta is a good buy. Don't waste your money on the 'starter kit' very cheap plastic crap. You can find brass flasks and cappers real cheap on evil bay or other on line sites.
 
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