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azsixgun said:
Do you know for certain that the Pietta has a cast frame? Does that go for the stainless frame as well?
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Pietta doesn't claim to make any forged C&B frames from stainless or otherwise, nor does Ruger for that matter. So I think that it's safe to say that Pietta doesn't make a forged C&B revolver frame yet.
AFAIK Uberti only started forging their frames relatively recently, maybe as a result of them being bought out by Beretta which made it more economically feasible.

Uberti's forged frame was an interesting topic of previous discussions:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358178&highlight=forged

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359134&highlight=forged
 
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Uberti forged frame

azsixgun and articap:

As of the last week I have been directing most of my research into the area of forged frame Uberti 1858 New Army models in blue. There is very little anecdotal evidence as to this and that ... in comparisons.

From what I gather, the first forged frame Uberti's in the blue hit the shelves in late 2007 and early 2008.

One thing for sure, IMHO, is that the forged frame 1858 New Army in blue with 8" barrel is being produced somewhat specifically to meet a market demand for conversions. Supposedly, the cylinder window in the frame is just a little larger. There has been some discussion about the bolt not being long enough and the need to fit some conversions like the newest version of the Kirst backplate to the smaller frame window opening of the earlier cast frame models.

So there is some good reading out there as articap has pointed out.

I think there is a market for Pietta's that are tuned up and finished.

I think that if some enterprising person with time on their hands bought 100 Pietta at wholesale and spent some time tuning them and then sold them on gunbroker and established a reputation for doing the basic tuning they could make some money.

Make a little video of the process when you get really good at it and have all your steps laid out ... make some pictures, talk it up on a few discussion sites and you'd have a reputation to then auction your pieces. Shoot some targets, etc ...

There is certainly a need for some finishing and tuning of Pietta as well as Uberti.

Look at Cimmaron, how they base part of their reputation on having their pieces a little more finished at the factory, (double-polished before bluing), and perhaps even some more quality control on both sides of the import-export equation.

If one could only build a reputation for tuning Pietta, and fitting conversion cylinders, I think you could do a little side business, but you'd have to buy pieces wholesale and in bulk to really make any money. Just sayin' and thinkin'.
 
Pietta got new CNC machinery around 2000 so would think their frames would be forged not cast. Mine doesn't appear to be cast.
 
Reading a bit in this thread:

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,13088.0.html

At around the third page, Alessandro Pietta says that the 1858s have cast frames. This was in 2007.

Q: Are the frames on the 1858's hammer forged? Thanks.

A: they are casting.... and this can garantee you the good quality of the material.
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A cast frame can be further machined. In that case, I'm not sure how you'd tell if it was cast or forged. But given the conditions under which we use these guns, it seems to me that as long as the parts are good quality castings, there should be no problems.

EDIT: The 1873 revolvers are drop forged and machined, FWIW.
 
Arcticap, those are some interesting links! CaptainCrossman first states that the cast Pietta frames are brittle and break when flexed. Then later, he posts a picture of a blown up 1858 that he states had a cast frame. The frame stretched and flexed rather than shattering. I think he disproved his own strong statement about cast frames!

My experience has been with quality cast 1911 parts, which can be very reliable. EGW uses a cast slide stop. That part takes a real beating; the owner of the company told me they hadn't had any failures. What do I know, it works for me like he said it would...
 
My neighbor's sale priced SS Remington '58 arrived yesterday from Cabelas. Any significant improvements in Pietta quality from my older one (SN R 39x,xxx vs R 25x,xxx) weren't readily apparent.

The new one has a poorer fitting grip, the front sight is out of plumb, and his cylinder gap is twice mine. The window in the frame is longer resulting in a lot of exposed barrel threads and the ram plunger.

On the positive side: It seems well timed, the safety notches will properly engage without any reworking, and there are fewer rough file marks on the surfaces facing the cylinder.
 
Return for Exchange and Raising Cane ... or not ...

zippy13:

Thank you for the quality report. It sounds like what you got is just a little better than the first swing I took in this game with a stainless standard 1858 Pietta from Cabela's.

Just because I am in that kind of mood I would send it back for exchange and raise a little Kane. :D

Cabela's has that nice return label in the box and they say they will debit your account for $7.00 on that label, but they actually take out $7.50.

If you complain hard enough like I did, you can even get them to cover that return shipping. And of course they cover the shipping for the exchange.

You know the lingo, so you could talk to CS and get a good exchange.

If you would like, feel free to post pictures and commentary on that Pietta stainless steel you got from Cabela's in my Uberti quest for positive lock thread.

There's no need to keep it ya know, but I know that some of you treat them as though they are injured baby birds and nurse them back to health and that's kinda cool.
 
CajunPower,

My neighbor bought the revolver because he really enjoyed shooting mine, and he wanted one just like my R-1885 or ROA. A new ROA was out of the question and I almost had him convinced to get an Umberti R-1885, but the Cabelas sale price was too appealing.

I mentioned to my neighbor that had the gun been sent to me, I'd return it. I even told him that I'd had to return my first one several years ago. And, as you mentioned, Cabelas provides return labels. To my surprise, he replied with, "It okay -- I'll keep it -- you're just too fussy about your guns." -- end of discussion.

How many other guys have that attitude? As long as there folks who don't seem to give a hoot about the condition of their guns, why should the mfg change his ways? The retailer can always do a swap -- that may be easier than tightening-up quality control.
 
The honor, the advantage

Most good and humble men believe it is an honor to own a device that can defend themselves, find food when the earth provides none, slay the beast that would slay you.

And there are other men that in knowing this would profit from that humility.

That is one of the many reasons why we must maintain that freedom.
:)

I think the watching of "The Patriot" reminded me of so many things that I should never for a moment forget.
 
I'm still at the point of everyday thinking about ordering the engraved navy with the white grips but then I think maybe I should just order the Uberti navy with the blued steel trigger guard and backstrap from DGW, who knows, one or the other soon...
 
Ya can't beat Pietta quality. They are the best made aren't they? I heard they were the best you could buy and that the uberti and the other sucked by comparison. Is this true?
 
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Ya can't beat Pietta quality. They are the best made aren't they? I heard they were the best you could buy and that the uberti and the other sucked by comparison. Is this true?
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Sir Bust a Cap; :eek:You might want to check your facts there. I must say you have brightened my day....with laughter. :D
BTW there is no denial that Pietta is excellent quality for the money, I would have no reservations about purchasing one.,
 
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Uberti quality

SirBustaCap, I am confused.:confused: On a different discussion, you made the following comment:
RemTim; That black '71 - I had one just like it and sold it.I regret it.
SuzukiBruce, you made an excellent choice that I doubt you will regret.It is an Uberti, by the way.
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The black '71 you referred to and owned was an Uberti.Have you ever owned or handled Pietta or compared the quality of a Pietta to an Uberti? Just curious, that's all.
 
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Well all good things come to an end! Be patient, they run that sale at least twice per year so you'll see it again.

Oly
 
I just checked the OP's links, and Cabela's sale prices are back up to normal
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The sale is not completely over yet. The 1860 steel "sheriff" is still $189.99 1860 link

The 1851 Navy Civilian .44 steel frame is $199.99, that's a steel frame also! It's pretty cool to see that one on sale because lots of times they don't even have a steel frame 1851 on the website.1851 link
 
This is from Cabela's page for .44 1851's


It wasn't long after the original 1851 Navy became a standard-issue favorite among the U.S. military that Samuel Colt began production of his now famous civilian model. Just like the originals, these accurate reproductions include a silver-plated backstrap and trigger guard, octagon barrel, steel frame and walnut grips. Also available with a starter kit.


Talk about truth in advertising.:rolleyes:
 
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