CA Ammo Law experience

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Metal God. That's what he told me. If he mentioned that I had the other option, I wouldn't have bought it because I don't think it's worth the cost to buy the .22 ammo. I already have a small bag of .22lr my nephew gave me. And, if I want more, I can ask him to buy it for me next time and I'll reimburse him. When I told that clerk that I wasn't choosing his option he replied, "well, you don't get the ammo". Like I cared because, as I said, I have some .22lr rifle ammo ( just not the brand I wanted to buy ) and I both cast and reload.

On it's face, the two run-offs sound fair but don't you think that just makes California a 1 Party State? It's bad enough we have two. Ross Perot is the closest one I can remember that almost pulled it off and made a viable 3rd Party. I suppose we gun owners can best hope for is find enough 2A supporters for a Democratic Candidate that's not anti-gun.
 
Always thought the Founders were pretty smart guys, do remember Franklin's words as he exited the convention...

"Mr Franklin, what have you given us?"

"A REPUBLIC, IF you can keep it!"

CA and many other places show us the down side of democracy, which is, numbers, not ideas rule.

Never forget that any and all of us can lose the legal exercise of our rights if enough people vote for that, directly or indirectly.

ANY of our rights...and possibly all of them, over time. As long as there are people seeking to lead, and not just to serve, we are always at risk.
 
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ANY of our rights...and possibly all of them, over time. As long as there are people seeking to lead, and not just to serve, we are always at risk.
A minor quibble -- possibly just semantics:

IMHO, there's a difference between "leading" and "herding." Leading, to my mind, implies guiding a group in the direction and towards a destination where the group wants to go. The people you are talking about (I think) aren't interested in leading us where we want to go. They want to herd us to where they want us (but not them!) to go.
 
I never thought Virginia would enact the gun laws they did this year.
I am on the board of of a major range and outdoor club in No. Virginia.

I will tell you what happened from my perspective talking with both lifelong Virginia residents and new transplants. They were complacent at the time when they could have had an impact. You had people saying "both parties are the same on this" when all the evidence points and data on the issue become more and more politically aligned in a clear 30 year trend, the point where it is the most politically aligned issue.

I'd ask, "by the way who is your House of Delegates or Virginia Senate member?" I don't think I more than one person who knew until the massive VCDL response, which was helpful but also kinda after the horse left the barn. People also don't realize why what should otherwise and elsewhere be GOP voters would vote blue in most of Virginia. Take an example of a small medium or large business owner. Typically their interest is red. But in Norther Virginia, and in fact in Norfolk as well, they either are directly dependent on larger government, or in a business affected by the size of government. Secondly the demographic shift is profound in increasing the demographic that is singularly and in all surveys most opposed to firearms: Hispanic women. Also of note i dont think Bloomberg spent any more in a state than he spent in Virginia, courting all ways he spent in direct candidate contribution, arms length 527 etc , and gun control group c4 and c3 activity, that while technically not FEC defined electioneering, effectively election impacting.

As far as California, ammo and prop 63. When you put a ballot initiative up, are poling at 57% support and in the end get approval from more than 2/3 of the electorate as Prop 63 on ammo got, you are half slapping yourselves selves on the back -- but are also thinking you could have gotten more.

And this is what the anti-gun people are aiming for. Make purchasing a gun or ammunition so expensive, so onerous and so time consuming that people just plain give up owning firearms.
Not just for you but for your transmittal of the firearms virus. They think you have an illness, and are highly contagious. You will die off eventually so long term the most important thing is you not take a female friend from a neighborhood that has a spike in sexual assaults', or several of your 25 year old son's friends to the range, and transmit the virus to the next generation.

From what I've heard, shipping ammo into CA is illegal. I'd guess it's illegal to drive out of State to buy it too.
I'm in DC (where ironically I can and do get ammo shipped to me). But LOTS of pro gun websites that list various state laws incorrectly state otherwise. Moreover there is "chilling effect" where if the jurisdiction looks unfriendly, despite the laws allowing something, companies will just decide not to.

Under the current CA system, if you have a gun registered in their system, can you buy any ammo? or just ammo in the caliber of the gun in their system??
Without prejudice to other states, or jurisdiction within states that don't have a state preeminence, we did have that for about four years in DC immediately following Heller. That condition ended in 2012, not as direct part of Heller II or III but under threat of lawsuit. AT the same time the DC code also newly allowed possessing ammo for training purposes if you were in process of obtaining a registration.
 
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I'm in DC (where ironically I can and do get ammo shipped to me). But LOTS of pro gun websites that list various state laws incorrectly state otherwise. Moreover there is "chilling effect" where if the jurisdiction looks unfriendly, despite the laws allowing something, companies will just decide not to.
This is very true.

A good number of years ago, The Sportsmans Guide company had in their catalog an 1898 Mauser rifle. It's an antique, so it can be sold without going through an FFL. I didn't want the rifle, but I did want one of the bayonets, for my small collection of pointy things that go on the front ends of rifles. They wouldn't sell it to me because of what state I live in. It is NOT illegal for me to buy knives from out of state and have them shipped to me, but that company thought it pmight be illegal, so they just said "No."

My conversation with a customer service rep was surrealistic. I had her open up the catalog to the page with the rifle on it. She acknowledged that she had found the listing.

Me: So can you sell me one of those rifles?

SGC: Oh, yes Sir!

Me: But you can't sell me the bayonet that's right under it on that page?

SGC: No, Sir.

Me: So let me get this straight. You'll sell me a military battle rifle, which can kill a person from a half a mile away, but you can't sell me a bayonet, which is only dangerous if I'm within an arm's length of another person?

SGC: Umm ... I'm sorry, it really doesn't make much sense, does it?


I live in a state with a magazine capacity limit. More recently than the SGC incident, I tried to buy some 10-round magazines from CDNN. Nope. I tried to buy some 7-round 1911 magazines from CDNN. Nope. Both are completely legal in my state, but CDNN will not ship any magazines to my state -- not even to an FFL.

So, yes ... the "chilling effect" is very real.
 
I believe that it is illegal to go out of state and buy ammo for import to California (even for your own use). Many people were going to Reno Nevada which is only about 4 hours from San Francisco and driving back with huge amounts of ammo. I was told (maybe true, maybe not) that for a while officials at the border check point were asking if you had ammo. I have not heard anything about it for a while now, so maybe people have calmed down. Grant.
 
CA residents, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it not "exactly" illegal to buy ammo out of state but it has to go to an instate FFL, from whom you can pick it up after the state grants permission??

I do think they frown on you buying it in AZ or NV and taking it straight home to your residence in CA.
 
Regarding post #5--"taking weeks longer to get a permit" if that is the case everyone should be in.

Just because govt dont follow the law shouldnt be the citizens problem.
As noted they want to make it so hard/expensive to buy everyone just quits....
 
I live in CA and came across and article stating that you cannot bring ammo from out-of-state. I just did a search and found this to be true.

CA once had a 55mph limit for years. No one listened to it and drove 65mph and up. If the police or highway patrol was seen, everyone would slow down and a traffic jam resulted. Eventually, the politicians gave in, changed the law and raised the speed limit.
 
Jerry. No matter how I vote, I'm outnumbered like 3:1. If you study the trend, Liberals take over the cities and convert those people to support them. Just look at the States around the Country like Oregon, Washington, Arizona, and soon Montana and Idaho.
 
TDL. I'm sorry to see Virginia go the way of California. My Liberal neighbors are a real pain. They know that I like shooting and tell me that want guns banned. Maybe I should be better prepared and argue back but I think they are self-righteous and facts wont work.
 
Just look at the States around the Country like Oregon, Washington, Arizona, and soon Montana and Idaho.
I doubt Montana and certainly Idaho will be following the coastal states soon. Montana just passed a law outlawing municipalities from enacting their own gun laws, Idaho just strengthened their constitutional carry law to include all lawful US citizens instead of the previous residents only rule. In addition, Idaho's state constitution has the following in it:

Section 11. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. The people have the right to keep and bear arms, which right shall not be abridged; but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to govern the carrying of weapons concealed on the person nor prevent passage of legislation providing minimum sentences for crimes committed while in possession of a firearm, nor prevent the passage of legislation providing penalties for the possession of firearms by a convicted felon, nor prevent the passage of any legislation punishing the use of a firearm. No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. Nor shall any law permit the confiscation of firearms, except those actually used in the commission of a felony.

We get a little touchy being lumped in with the left coast.
 
Californians wish the best for you. A lot of Californians are moving to Idaho. I've read on the CastBullet Forum that there is talk of banning lead bullets in Montana like in California. To me, Californians moving to other States is like a cancer. Look at the last election with Arizona. My HS friend moved there years ago because it was a gun friendly State. But, with the recent election, I texted him and asked, "what happened?!". He replied, "Californians!". Ask the Eastern Oregonians and Washingtonians. Please be careful and safe friend.
 
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