C&R grey area

Keep reading where? The only other info I can find involves import. For import the weapon must be in origional configuration, but there is provision for barreled actions to be imported as c&r. I can't find anything about a modification made by an individual causing it to loose it's c&r status. Now if a manufacture, like gibbs rifle company, imports them for remanufacture, then follows through, that is a different provision entirely.
 
Read your book of rules, frequintly asked questions, the ATF website. Its in all three. I dont have time to look it up for you. Still dont understand call the ATF
Just as if you have a C&R fiearm and you strip it down for parts and sell them off. The receiver is no longer a C&R because it is not in original configuration
 
check your info. No such question in faq section. However, check the introduction section of your curio and relics list.

Importation Restrictions:
"...A surplus military firearm is defined as one that belonged to a regular or irregular military force at any time. Alteration of the firearm does not change it's status. Therefore, a sporting firearm with a surplus military frame or reciever is a surplus military firearm, because a frame or reciever is classified as a firearm as described in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3)"

The fed does not care what stock configuration you have, buy or sell, unless the barrel is less that 16" long.

I did read my rule book. Now it is your turn.
 
Its in there, I have also personally talked to the ATF about this very subject. Hey, you dont have to agree
I know the rules, I dont have to defend my stand.
 
I did read my rule book. Now it is your turn.

Unless it was imported. ALL imported C&R firearms must remain in their compleletely assemble military configuration or they are no longer C&R firearms and must be considered "Modern". If you do alter an imported military C&R firearm from its original configuration, you must ensure you do not voilate 922(r).

27 CFR 178.118: IMPORTATION OF CERTAIN FIREARMS CLASSIFIED AS CURIOS OR RELICS (Also 178.11 and 178.26)

Surplus military firearms frames or receivers alone not specifically classified as curios or relics by ATF will be denied importation.

ATF Rul. 85-10 Section 233 of the Trade and Tariff Act of 1984, 98 Stat. 2991, amended Title 18, United States Code, section 925 to allow licensed importers to import firearms listed by the Secretary as curios or relics, excluding handguns not generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes. The amendment had the effect of allowing the importation of surplus military curio or relic firearms that were previously prohibited from importation by 18 U.S.C. section 925(d)(3).

Congressional intent was expressed by Senator Robert Dole in 130 CONG. REC. S2234 (daily ed.,Mar. 2, 1984), as follows: First. This provision is aimed at allowing collectors to import fine works of art and other valuable weapons.

Second. This provision would allow the importation of certain military surplus firearms that are classified as curios and relics by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury.

Third. In order for an individual or firm to import a curio or relic it must first be put on a list by petitioning the Secretary of the Treasury. The Secretary must find the firearm's primary value is that of being a collector's item.

Fourth. The only reason a person would purchase these firearms is because of their peculiar collector's status. And, in fact, they must be special firearms and classified as such in order to import.

This language clearly shows that Congress intended to permit the importation of surplus military firearms of special interest and value to collectors and recognized by ATF as meeting the curio or relic definition in 27 CFR 178.11. The regulation defines "curios or relics" as firearms of "special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons." The regulation further defines curios or relics to include "firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period or event."

In classifying firearms as curios or relics under this regulation, ATF has recognized only assembled firearms as curios or relics.

Moreover, ATF's classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration.

Frames or receivers of curios or relics and surplus military firearms not in their original military configuration were not generally recognized as curios or relics by ATF since they were not of special interest or value as collector's items.


Specifically, they did not meet the definition of curio or relic in section 178.11 as firearms of special interest to collectors by reason of a quality other than is ordinarily associated with sporting firearms or offensive or defensive weapons.

Furthermore, they did not ordinarily have monetary value as novel, rare, or bizarre firearms; nor were they generally considered curios or relics because of their association with some historical figure, period or event.

It is clear from the legislative history that Congress did not intend for the frames or receivers alone of surplus military firearms, or any other surplus military firearms not in their original military configuration, to be importable under section 925(e). It is also clear that only those firearms classified by ATF as curios or relics were intended to be approved by ATF for importation.

Held: to be importable under 18 U.S.C. section 925(e), surplus military firearms must be classified as curios or relics by ATF. Applications by licensed importers to import frames or receivers alone of surplus military curio or relic firearms will not be approved under section 925(e). Surplus military firearms will not be classified as curios or relics unless they are assembled in their original military configuration, and applications for permits to import such firearms will not be approved.

[ATFB 85-3 46]


http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/rulings.pdf
 
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