Necessary? No. Once you throw in the secondary "range" use though it makes more sense. For home defense it is generally better for absorbing recoil and getting follow up shots on target. Although the longer PX4s revolving barrel would do the same in a lighter gun if that's your preference.
Buying a Walther PPK
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Necessary? No. Once you throw in the secondary "range" use though it makes more sense. For home defense it is generally better for absorbing recoil and getting follow up shots on target. Although the longer PX4s revolving barrel would do the same in a lighter gun if that's your preference.
Limnophile
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If you like your Px4 Compact, there's a lot to be said for getting a full-size Px4, as you're sure to like it, too, and it has identical controls. A great advantage as you plan to use both for srlf defense.
If you like the Px 4 then buy one. As far as the Interarms PPK/s having lots of problems It was S&W that had to do a total recall .Not Interarms . I had 3 Interarms PPK/S . Still have and carry my 3rd one for over 10 years. On the Walthers board . Interarms is considered the best buy If unable to get a French/German made PPK/s .S&W are not well thought of.
Independent George
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The PPX is a fine gun, but if you're happy with your PX4 compact, I still think it makes the most sense to get another PX4 Full Size. I wouldn't switch platforms unless you had a compelling reason to do so, and saving $100 isn't enough of one in my opinion.
My PX4 Compact isn't going anywhere. As I've said, the PX4 C is all I need in a gun, and I agree, it makes sense to stay with the platform in a larger new handgun. But!!!
I went to a dealer in the town down the road a ways. He called his distributor to give me a price (out the door) on a PPX. His distributor didn't have any, and didn't think he would be getting any in the future. So, as someone pointed out, this handgun may be discontinued.
However, he showed me a Walther CCP 9. I really don't want to buy a discontinued handgun (PPX). I've never owned or shot a striker fired pistol, and I've been thinking, "maybe I'd better do that" CCP for carry & fun at the range. PX4 for HD. Problem solved? No, the CCP is allot of money for an old guy on fixed income...don't you think?
I went to a dealer in the town down the road a ways. He called his distributor to give me a price (out the door) on a PPX. His distributor didn't have any, and didn't think he would be getting any in the future. So, as someone pointed out, this handgun may be discontinued.
However, he showed me a Walther CCP 9. I really don't want to buy a discontinued handgun (PPX). I've never owned or shot a striker fired pistol, and I've been thinking, "maybe I'd better do that" CCP for carry & fun at the range. PX4 for HD. Problem solved? No, the CCP is allot of money for an old guy on fixed income...don't you think?
The CCP is another one of Walthers budget guns, and it is built by the same people who make their .22's, PK380, and many other .22's based on other platforms. You do not hear of much good coming out of there, and to me the guns have a lesser look/feel than their more "upscale" P99/PPQ/etc. handguns. Umarex is known more for their airguns and such, which has steered me away from any of the guns built in their factory... Personal choice.
I was excited when I first heard about the CCP, but after handling one they did not meet my expectations. At the time I was anticipating a mix of P7 and P99c, with ergos that fit my hand better than my PPS. It left me with the impression being a replica of something I would buy, and the Internet chatter isn't much nicer. I've already spouted off enough of my thoughts (as I haven't fired one), so maybe someone here can give you an idea of how it shoots.
My recommendation would be to check out some other handguns closer in size to what you were originally looking at, or perhaps look for a used P99/PPQ (or comprable model). Being on a fixed income makes gun purchases tough, and you don't want that buyer's remorse a few months down the road. If you end up being set on striker fired handguns, there is no shortage of them floating around in the new/used market. Good luck!
I was excited when I first heard about the CCP, but after handling one they did not meet my expectations. At the time I was anticipating a mix of P7 and P99c, with ergos that fit my hand better than my PPS. It left me with the impression being a replica of something I would buy, and the Internet chatter isn't much nicer. I've already spouted off enough of my thoughts (as I haven't fired one), so maybe someone here can give you an idea of how it shoots.
My recommendation would be to check out some other handguns closer in size to what you were originally looking at, or perhaps look for a used P99/PPQ (or comprable model). Being on a fixed income makes gun purchases tough, and you don't want that buyer's remorse a few months down the road. If you end up being set on striker fired handguns, there is no shortage of them floating around in the new/used market. Good luck!
carguychris
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You're right, my bad.Pinky Carruthers said:
I've only handled the pistol at Academy Sports; they don't allow dry firing, and actually won't remove the trigger lock on the display-case guns. I failed to notice the hammer.
Same here. I like most of the ergos and the slide IS very easy to work. However, I found the thumb safety operation to be awkward (although using it is admittedly optional), the size/capacity tradeoff isn't very good (it's almost the size of a G19), and the trigger was very rough and stacked in weird places, particularly on reset; like some Kel-Tecs, it had some "hitches" or "flat spots" on reset that could be mistaken as the pistol's reset point. OTOH I handled an early example, and I've been told that recent-production CCPs have smoother triggers, but I can't vouch for this.vyse.04 said:
FWIW the PPX is NOT built by Umarex in Cologne (Köln) like the CCP; it's built in the "real Walther" plant in Ulm alongside the P99 and PPQ.
vyse.04...Thanks for the info on the CCP. I liked the look, feel, and size. I didn't get a chance to really try the gun, because it belonged to someone else and the dealer was working on new sights.
It did give me thoughts of carrying again, since Maine law is now no CWP needed. I would expect allot of folks who didn't qualify for a CWP will now be carrying. Checking the Internet last night, I found these little suckers are expensive, but I have a little set aside so I will be buying something soon.
It did give me thoughts of carrying again, since Maine law is now no CWP needed. I would expect allot of folks who didn't qualify for a CWP will now be carrying. Checking the Internet last night, I found these little suckers are expensive, but I have a little set aside so I will be buying something soon.
I am listening to you guys. This morning after reading the posts, I had discounted the CCP. The other word I hear, is Walther triggers are great. I am definitely sold on the idea of going with a carry instead of a larger PPX. The above post made me feel more assured about the Walther CCP. So, I'll check around on other posts for "carry guns".
I just picked up a link to a Walther CCP video review. I was buying the gun right up until the end of the film. I liked everything, except the take down. No way! the first thing I'd do is lose the little take down tool. I also don't like pulling the slide off of the frame. And, as stated on the video, putting it back is "tricky" The "expert" even had a little difficulty. So maybe this thread should be closed, so I can ask for opinions on other CC pistols?
Independent George
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My personal carry gun is a Kahr PM9. What I love about the Kahr is the outstanding DA trigger - it's a striker, but it's a very long, smooth trigger pull that is very reminiscent of a really nice DAO revolver. Some people have reported feed issues, but I've not experienced that in about 500 rounds so far.
A new PM9 is way overpriced, but I got a great deal on a used one, and have been very happy with it. The CM9 is the significantly less expensive version of the same gun, but does not sacrifice any quality. I'd have bought it if not for the aforementioned deal on the PM9
Ruger really hits the sweet spot in terms of great quality at a reasonable price with the LCP and LC9s. I'm one of those freaks who preferred the old DAO LC9, but if you like the typical striker trigger, the LC9s is a very good choice.
If you like Walther, have you considered the Walther PPS? New ones are a bit pricey, but I've seen quite a few used ones out there; my LGS mentioned a lot of people are bringing switching them for the Glock 43. Of the two, I prefer the Walther myself, but I guess it makes sense to standardize your kit (even if the mags aren't interchangeable, you get the same trigger and overall feel).
A new PM9 is way overpriced, but I got a great deal on a used one, and have been very happy with it. The CM9 is the significantly less expensive version of the same gun, but does not sacrifice any quality. I'd have bought it if not for the aforementioned deal on the PM9
Ruger really hits the sweet spot in terms of great quality at a reasonable price with the LCP and LC9s. I'm one of those freaks who preferred the old DAO LC9, but if you like the typical striker trigger, the LC9s is a very good choice.
If you like Walther, have you considered the Walther PPS? New ones are a bit pricey, but I've seen quite a few used ones out there; my LGS mentioned a lot of people are bringing switching them for the Glock 43. Of the two, I prefer the Walther myself, but I guess it makes sense to standardize your kit (even if the mags aren't interchangeable, you get the same trigger and overall feel).
Being from a different time, I would not buy a pistol without a manual safety. My problem is, I put my guns away 5 years ago (due to poor health) and don't know much about striker fired, or what's available for carry today, other than my PX4 C. I am trying to do my due diligence on the internet. So far I've ruled out Walther CCP, but I'm looking at the PPS, trying to find a smaller gun for around $400.
Independent George
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The PPS doesn't have a safety, so strike that.
The Ruger LC9s does have a safety, though some people find it hard to thumb; I've got small hands, and didn't have a problem with it. I've seen them for $350 - $400, but sometimes they're on sale. The Smith & Wesson M&P Shield costs about the same, but is slightly larger than the Ruger.
Of the two, I prefer the Ruger, but plenty of people like the Shield. Both are excellent little guns with manual safeties.
Super Blackhawk
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Sig for Hd n range
The Sig P320 in any of its 3 sizes is a great choice for any purpose n may have the inside track to replace the Beretta M9 in the Army trials for a new service pistol. The fullsize P320 is an absolutely fantastic accurate gun. The build quality is solid Sig, disassembly is as easy as any gun on the market n it feels like an e tension of my hand.
The Sig P320 in any of its 3 sizes is a great choice for any purpose n may have the inside track to replace the Beretta M9 in the Army trials for a new service pistol. The fullsize P320 is an absolutely fantastic accurate gun. The build quality is solid Sig, disassembly is as easy as any gun on the market n it feels like an e tension of my hand.
I think you misread my post about the CCP earlier, as IMO it has a good bit more working against it than just the takedown procedure. Someone else mentioned the Walther PPS, and Bud's has them for around $400 ( a bit more after factoring in FFL).
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...333_pps_standard_9mm_32/_7+18+1_poly_grips_bl
For what it's worth, I had a PPS and got rid of it last week. It felt ok in my hand, but was a bit too small when shooting and was snappier than some of the other offerings in a similar package. My friend loved it though, so YMMV. You said you prefer manual safeties (which I can understand completely), so I'd take a look at some of the other guns listed on the website... if nothing else but to get an idea of what's out there.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...333_pps_standard_9mm_32/_7+18+1_poly_grips_bl
For what it's worth, I had a PPS and got rid of it last week. It felt ok in my hand, but was a bit too small when shooting and was snappier than some of the other offerings in a similar package. My friend loved it though, so YMMV. You said you prefer manual safeties (which I can understand completely), so I'd take a look at some of the other guns listed on the website... if nothing else but to get an idea of what's out there.
I have certainly looked around. Thanks for some of the links, I didn't know were out there. I've pretty much decided to go with the PX4 SC. It's probably going to cost $600 out the door. Someone advised me to stay with the platform I have, if possible. I know the PX4 SC is a little different, without the rotating barrel, but I've owned the PX4 Storm (Full Size). I now own the PX4C. I've been very happy with both...so it seems like the right decision.