Bushings for Berettas?? Possible.

leej,

There may be some movement while the barrel is at rest, but because of the way the locking block system works, the barrel is pretty much in the same position every time. The locking block system just works differently.

I'll agree, it isn't the best (nor was it designed to be the best) for match competitions, but my Elite II has proven to be extremely accurate.

Shake
 
Prisoner 6: All this commotion led me to do some measurements. My 92FS slide has about .015" side-to-side slop at the muzzle end, and about .010" up down. It is definitely looser than my CZ or HI-Power. It is way looser than either of my 1911's (my STI is so tight it's not measureable). The point of the article was that there are lots of well established ways (and parts) to accurize a 1911, but doing it to an M9 was really tough. And, I recall, the M9 slides were tightened up using some kind of inserts installed that could be machined down to fit.

As far as the barrel locking system: if you want to see it's accuracy limits, take the recoil spring out and reinstall everything (gun has to be held upside down so the locking blocks will drop in). When "locked" in battery, grab the rear end of the barrel: mine wiggles about .015 laterally (left to right) and about .010 up and down. The front of the barrel will go about .015 -..020 in any direction.

Re-install the spring: the spring force drives the locking block to the rear and wedges the barrel "wings" into the frame grooves. There is a lot of slop in the groove/barrel fit, so this is the first error point. The barrel (chamber end) has a fair range of freedom of placement when the gun cycles. You can see the side to side play in the chamber end of the barrel, as the rearward force of the recoil spring does not restrict movement in those directions.

When in battery, the recoil spring forces the bottom side of the muzzle end of the barrel to rest on the slide. Spring force holds it down. Of course, at firing, the barrel muzzle will rotate upward since the bore axis is above the holding point so there will be a torque. Another source of error, the barrel is moving at discharge.

If this is a "floating barrel" design, I think it's pretty adequate. Reliabilty is high and accuracy is good. It just seems to me that it is (by design) less accurate than a 1911 where the barrel is locked very tightly to the slide both by bushing and barrel lugs (held at both ends).
 
bountyh, I see what you mean, and certainly do not mean to make the Beretta seem like some wondergun. I too have seen 1911's that had extremely tight tolerances. My point was that I doubted that stock military 1911's would have been remotely that tight. It is possible that the 1911'a in question were themselves accurized, but comparing stcock military M9's to 1911's with lots of custom work would be like comparing apples to oranges. I know that there are plenty more guns that have more inherent accuracy than the Beretta, my only problem is that I dont possess the capability to take advantage of any of them. Even my bushingless Berettas shoot much better than I can.
 
Gunsmiths Vs The Engineers (Chuckle)

Just as soon as my time machine is repaired I really want to bring back Mr Browning so's he can meet the Dane Burns types and learn from his mistakes. (GRIN)
Perhaps this Beretta "smith" should contact the Beretta factory and explain how their design can be improved, (I'm laughing now) btw, Beretta does offer competion guns for all seasons at Best of Grade prices.
Nothing really new here at all, the refitting of a new locking block is normally all that's needed on the older and looser Italian 92s, those interested should do a Google search.
Old vs new style locking blocks, tensioned detents under the block are all covered along with the AMUs custom bullseye guns.
 
leej, are you 100% sure on that? If so, how do you know they make the slides like that? From what SIG states, my slide is machined from a solid piece of bar stock. Same with the GLOCK, HK, and I know the beretta is as well.

Alaska Roy, are you referring to Pat aka .355sigfan? If so, that's not me.
 
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