Bush/Cheney bumper sticker sent man into road rage

I don't know. Here in Eugene, if you say anything that the college libs don't like and especially if you disagree with them on ANYTHING, keep in mind that they truly believe they have the right to break your glass on your vehicle, beat on it with bats and fists, and then they have the right to hit you.

What the US needs is for Americans to become civil human beings once again. Neither canidate is worth anything, it's just that I felt that Kerry was the more worthless one. It's only my opinion and since I am an American, I have the Right to that opinion but I don't have the right to steal, vandalize, or threaten (sp).

Wayne
 
Your liberal neighbor has more in common with you than 99% of the rest of the people on earth.
Yup, some Liberals like myself even like GUNS!

I thought Handy's comments were very level headed. It is very frustrating reading through this board everyday with all the Liberal hating comments and I found Handy to be a little more realistic and fair than most on here.
 
Speaking as another liberal who carry's firearms.

I have to leave this board for weeks at a time because of the constant anti-liberal B.S. that gets posted here.
 
The reason many conservatives and libertarians have such disdain for liberals is because liberals seem to love government more than freedom.

Chew on a few of these quotations, you self-admitted liberals. If you agree with any of them, there's hope for you yet! :D ;)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson (1791)
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Robert A. Heinlein
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer (1891)
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. - Jacob Hornberger (1995)
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding - Judge Louis Brandeis (1928)
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Goethe
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. - G Gordon Liddy
 
snacktrack,

I'm not against anyone, but why do liberals feel it their right to destroy property? I may not agree with a majority of folks but I don't fear an attack from a conservative like I do from a liberal. If you say that I am full of it, I can email you pictures of what they did just because I disagreed with them.

70-101, same question to you.

When it comes to guns, I feel that any American should be able to own and to have and carry. Why should one vote for one that would take that away, or in this case, one who would take away the Right faster?

I have been told that I am a moderate. I agree with some aspects of both sides. I can deal with that. But, as a realist, I know that my being able to own ANY GUN that I wish is going to do more for freedom then compromising on ownership and or the ability to own.

After following your posts, you seem to be itching for a fight, conservative vs. liberal or whatever. Drop it, it's not going to happen. We all have our thoughts and what we believe, and that is the best thing in this world, Freedom of opinion and thought. We may agree to disagree or we could take it into a drag out, finger nail digging, teeth biting match. Which isn't going to get us anywhere.

We're not here to fight, but to exchange ideas. Those that push the buttons of other members are not better then the trolls that roam the net, looking to do nothing but divide people and cause harm. This happens on both sides of the political issue.

We all have something in common, we own guns. So if the issue is politics then please explain why one group wants to ban, ban, and ban or otherwise wish more and more gun laws while the other "cater"(sp) to the gun owners but won't stop all the banning efforts.

None of the choices that we've had so far does anything for us. As gun owners, we should actually be 100% behind a third party that believes in our Rights, yet we sit here, agrue, over men that would destroy us quickly or slowely but both have the same goals. So most of us vote, for the lesser of the two evils.

There is no reason for us to divide ourselves over the voting of a mere human being. If we all united together, then we wouldn't be calling each other names like liberal or conservative but maybe talking to each other and calling each other Americans (and damn proud of it). We've let ourselves be stereotyped into classes, liberal/conservatives/moderates/etc, and we've all forgotten, first and foremost, we are all human beings and secondly, Americans.

With time, and experience, I've seen such snobery, both from Liberals and Conservatives, that I've been banned from what people would consider the best of the best (or the click to be a part of) boards. No matter how loud a people proclaim themselves tolerate, or peaceful, they, people, will always fall into the trap of self centerness and power.

So, as a small group, we can all come together and incorporate our ideas. I for one will never concede my Right to gun ownership, no matter the rules or laws, as I would never concede my Rights as outlined in the Bill of Rights.

We need to bring the people together to stand up for America and to stand up to any enemy that may wish to bring harm against any American, and stand together and fight if need be, but in our hearts wish for peace.

Wayne
 
"Your liberal neighbor has more in common with you than 99% of the rest of the people on earth."

That is the most depressing thing I've heard in weeks.
 
Bluesman,

Your series of quotes attack liberals based on YOUR (and ex-con Liddy's) presumptions about who they are. Thomas Jefferson may well have surveyed the current American scene and greatly admired "liberal" causes like environmental protection, or seperation of church and state. We don't know because only the felon and Hornberger were alive to comment on the current political landscape. But we do know that most of those men would best be described as Libertarian, and would be greatly offended to be labeled "conservative" in any way. Please don't redefine those people's words by inserting them into causes they knew nothing about.


Liberals are not interested in abridging freedoms any more than Donald Rumsfeld is. In fact, some would say much less so than Donald Rumsfeld.


This idea that each party or view has somehow captured all the "rightness" in the world is sorry and tired. Worried about giving up your freedoms? Think for yourself instead of toting a party line wherever you go.

This country is more likely to go down the tubes do to this rigid factionalizing then any single issue. Liberals happen to be wrong about the gun issue, but that doesn't mean that EVERY issue is already decided by which team signed up for it.


I'm sure Robert Heinlein would just love to be thrown in with the Pro-life, 10 Commandments on the courthouse, torture is okay sometimes crowd. :rolleyes: In Heinlein's world, George W. Bush wouldn't even be allowed to vote, let alone lead.

I think it fair to say that the great men in the history of liberty would be greatly dismayed by BOTH choices in popular politics. Please leave them be.


We'll never win this issue if all of you cling to believing it is somehow conservative in nature. Freedom is not a conservative way of thinking.
 
In Heinlein's world, George W. Bush wouldn't even be allowed to vote, let alone lead.
In Heinlein's world, only those of us with an "Honorable Discharge" hanging on the wall would be allowed to vote. Works for me.

PS. I think GWB has one of those. I know Clinton doesn't.
 
Let's keep it simple, shall we? I live in California. The state is run by liberal, left wing, Democrats and has been for some time. Under this so called "leadership" my Constitutional right to bear arms has been attacked, debased, defiled, nit picked, and incrementally eroded to the point of elimination by LAW. What this simple set of facts has shown me is that liberals want to make me freer by taking my freedom away. Forgive me if I take exception to that.
 
I'm a gun-loving liberal (PKAY) who feels that he has no right to destroy another's property (USP45usp) and who isn't horribly depressed by the fact that I live with, work with, and spend time with conservatives every day (Mike Irwin). Some people don't agree with a party's entire platform, and must comprimise. So let's quit with the "liberals are evil opressers" vs. "conservatives are sheep" viewpoint, shall we? We're all adults here, right?
 
Lord Nikon, you can be all the gun loving liberal you want to be. That doesn't change the reality in California. The FACT is that the liberal left wing of the Democrat party in my state is responsible for and continues to be the leader of those who would destroy the 2nd Amendment. Freely elected I might add, but for me and those of my freedom loving persuasion, oppressive nevertheless. Pointing that out doesn't brand me as puerile, just reportin' it as it is.
 
"So let's quit with the "liberals are evil opressers" vs. "conservatives are sheep" viewpoint, shall we? We're all adults here, right?"

Oh, please...

It's really very simple. IN GENERAL, in the US, Democrats call themselves liberals, and Republicans call themselves conservatives. I know this because I read newspapers. IN GENERAL, Democrats support increased gun control, and Republicans support reduced gun control. There are exceptions everywhere.

PKAY, you da man. Unless, of course, you da woman. Forgive me, but I can't tell.

Tim
 
Lord Nikon,

Some people don't agree with a party's entire platform, and must comprimise.

Not really, there are other parties out there that have more of a Constitutional platform, it's just that Americans have been brainwashed into voting for the "lesser of the two evils" and many kids and youngs adult think that America was always a two party system :(.

I have nothing against people or what their opinions are (political) but when they feel that they can damage property (it's their right) and do things like road rage because of a stupid sticker then it makes the entire group look bad (you know, the same way that people on this board will complain about a post because the anti's may put us all into the same boat as having the same opinion. Or how the anti's take one or two examples of gun owners (legal) doing something stupid and then saying, "See, this is ALL gun owners".)

I have nothing against you, Handy or any other "liberal" upon the board or in RL. I will admit that I don't know how someone could vote for Kerry when he had absolutly no plan for America (Bush did even if you didn't agree with it) and he was anti-gun (as most Dems today) as heck. If the Dems would honestly lay off trying to ban guns and raise taxes I may (might) be more inclined to pay attention to what they have to say. Yet in every session, there are so many anti-gun bills introduced (both federal and this state), that I'm probably spending $100 to $150 a month easily. With Bush and most republications, I spend about $25 monthly. To me, it's just another tax when the democrates are in power imposed upon me.

Lets not make this a "liberal" vs "conservative" vs "libertarian" vs whatever post. The original post just pointed out that most of the violence that is done against another person when it comes to politics (and/or opinions) are coming from the "liberal" side.

Granted, "conservatives" aren't angles and they do stupid things also. But when Bill Clinton won, not once but twice, you didn't see "conservatives" out bashing, vandalizing, and threatening people to the extent that you are seeing it with the "liberals" now. Many of them may have been greatly saddened but you didn't see them on tv saying that they were moving to Canada or any other country. No, you saw them grit their teeth, step forward, and changed the person in the White House. No whining, not gashing of teeth, no threats to those who's party was in the White House at the time.

No, they responded as civilized adults and then did their duty in 2000 and 2004.

Wayne
 
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snacktrack wrote:

Well I hate G.W. and CHeney as much as the next liberal, but I would never take it out on their sheeple. The best way to get to a Bush supporter is have a debate with them ; )


See, thats the major difference between Bush and Kerry supporters. Integrity. Kerry supporters 'HATE' GW PERSONALLY. Myself, as a Bush supporter never "HATED" Kerry personally, just thought he was the wrong man for the job. Kerry knowingly and willingly ADMITTED to violating the UCMJ, and commiting TREASON by giving aid and support to the enemy in time of war. It is a FACT. Wether or not you BELIEVE it has no bearing. It IS A RECORDED IRREFUTABLE FACT. By our own constitution, he should not even be ALLOWED to run for office at all.

And you may 'hate' GW, but to you really want a traitorous, enemy sympathizer as your president? Maybe you'd be learning to speak arab now?
 
Heinlein would have required a bit more than a piece of paper to call someone a veteren.
That's ok, I've got a bunch of little metal emblems with appropriate documentation as proof also.
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