Bullpup rifles????

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French, Australians, Brits and Chinese are all users. Thats 3 of the larger military organizations in the world. With China, that makes it the single largest type (grin). Numbers don't lie (they can mislead).
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if some one wants to argue this quote they could say that russia(the USs nearest competetor) and at least 70% of third world militias/rebellions/armies use the AK47 so it must be better than any bullpup (I am not saying that, I'm just arguing a point ).

if you do get a bullpup you will have to spend a lot to get a decent one. I did a lot a research when I was considering one and I came to the conclusion that conversion kits are all garbage, they take a gun that was never designed as a BP and move the ejection port right next to your face and the muzzle right in front of it. so AK47 and 22lr are probably out of the question. if you do want a decent bullpup design, the A2 enfields that the brits use are supposed to be decent and the AUG and F2000 are supposed to be the best designed to date but even with semi auto copycats you are still looking at spending enough to fund 2 AR15s.
also I see an argument that the M4 gave up accuracy and velocity in exchange for handiness.
I own an m4 style AR15 and it's a tack driver out to 300 yards, I'm sure if I was a better shooter it would be much greater. for an assault rifle that's well beyond your demographic fighting range so anything beyond 200 is probably going to be a snipers domain anyway.
if I had the money to blow I'd buy the FS2000 in a heartbeat just because it's an odd piece to have in anyones collection.
 
For my $0.02, if you are curious about a bullpup, try a Walther G22. It's a really fun 22lr.

It's definitely different and really fun to shoot. May help you decide on way or the other if it's the right platform for you.
 
The British use the SA80 Bullpup rifle probably one of the worst rifles to go into production for the military. After 20 years of motivations the main ones by H&K at a cost of £90 million is now a serviceable rifle, the only advantage of the design is a full length barrel on a short package. The disadvantages are a poor trigger pull -bad balance - bad ergonomics-in the British case can only be fired form the right shoulder meaning you have to expose your body when shooting round cover ect
 
I find most bullpups to fit me exceptionally well. The one I don't like is the AUG. I've fired the full auto P-90 and found it very fun. (useful? shrugs) The FS2000 has a decent trigger. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great. The Kel-tec bullpups are very innovative, ambidextrous and strengthened against catastrophic failures. They're moving forward and progressing, much how the AR has. They're not for sportsmen who shoot from benches and worry about.00025 MOA. They're combat rifles and for people who like combat rifles they're fantastic.
 
also a much cheaper option you could go for would be a carbine. Beretta Cx4, and hi-point are good choices, they are fun to shoot and still lighter and shorter than your average AR/AK plinker rifles.
 
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Bullpup rifles????
just want your opinion on bullpup rifles.
Just want to get some basic feed back before i buy a bullpup.
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I wanted a .308 bullpup so I looked at the RFB when they 1st came out. It's very nice, but I prefer the ability to visually inspect the chamber.
I have been interested in a bullpup conversion for the M14, but the only one out there for the past 3 years has been virtually unavailable.

My patience paid off last Saturday when I converted one of my MK14s into a bullpup M14 using the Rogue stock from Juggernaut Tactical.
The results thus far have been fantastic. The trigger is crisp, the mag changes are not problematic and the balance is outstanding.
I like the Rogue so much I became the distributor.

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Last year I enjoyed a little informal range time in Kandahar with some Aussies. The signal troops were using the F88 (AUG), the guys operating with our special guys had M4’s. The M4 was much better when used with armor. The AUG balanced very well as most bullpups do. I own a dozen or so AR variants but I really like the balance of bullpups. The MSAR and RFB are on my list, but only for recreational use and home defense…if the MSAR is pretty consistent with the AUG, it’s a battle proven design.

As to complaints on handling, magazine changes, etc…those are all valid unless you plan to spend some time to train and practice with them. I know the M4 has a few advantages in that department, but as mentioned training can lesson that gap on a bullpup. The trigger on both the AUG and SA80 that I’ve fired were pretty decent, although I would concede you could get a better trigger on an AR much easier.

About the only disadvantage I can see that training can’t address is the length of pull when wearing body armor. The bullpup has several great features and whether you care for them or not, you have to admit they are a unique development in small-arms and I for one wouldn’t mind having a couple more for in the inventory.

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Do you guys know of anybody who makes custom bullpup bolt-actions? Cause if I could get a lefthanded bullpup boltaction in stainless with a 24" barrel chambered for max pressure 357 magnum... that would be awesome. Stick a decent red-dot on it and go. I don't care about follow up shots, really... that would be a fast-pointing little midget brush gun with a punch. :-)

EDIT: I just love the idea of shooting heavier bullets at the same velocity with a longer barrel... that energy retention would just go up and up.

I wonder if you could rig a T/C contender to be bullpup?
 
As the proud owner of an FNH PS90 since Father's Day :D :

- the engineering is amazingly innovative
- mag changes are a bit cumbersome, but hey .. it holds 50
- Mag loading is easy once you do it a few times, the rounds go into place like butter
- the trigger creep is very creepy
- the portability and size are undeniably handy, think ATV, mtn bike, backpack, etc.
- ammo is spendy
- it is the runaway crowd pleaser "Hey, can I try that? Can I just hold it?"
- I am not going to war with it, combat effectiveness is a non-issue with me
- that being said, I would hate to get hit by a 5.7:eek:
- I am not hunting with it, just plink and targets for now
- LOP is same as where I set my AR stock so it sits right with me when shouldered
- recoil is like a BB gun
- plink and target shooting enjoyment is off the charts
 
The provisional manual for the experimental British E.M.1 from 1950 actually illustrates a "long model", so perhaps they weren't sold on the bullpup idea after all. But since it is an official Ministry of Supply publication, they made no effort to sell the idea, at least in the manual. Aside from the total length of the rifle, there is no particular advantage. It even weighs over 9 lbs. unloaded but I think the S.A.80 is on the heavy side, too. The basic problem with the original unmodified S.A.80 was not the design or concept, as I understand it, but rather in the execution. The parts that held it together actually wore out quickly. All AR-15 variations (The S.A.80 was based on the AR-18, I am led to believe) have similiar parts, meaning the pins that hold the top and bottom together, but I've never heard of any problem with them in that regard. Other bullpup rifles do not have a takedown like that and presumably avoid the problem altogether.
 
Finally received the tall rings... my Rogue is scoped now :)

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Rogue accuracy

I had a few minutes to spare today and zeroed in my scope.

I'm not comfortable firing from a bench and that's probably why one round is pulled way off to the right.

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I'm not a 'rail-a-holic' with my rifles, but even I admit that that rifle is pretty darned cool, and looks like she shoots well too. That's a Rogue 'conversion' for the M14, right? I'd like to know, b/c it seems to rate a closer look.
 
I'm currently on a waiting list for a machined aluminum bullpup stock for my 10/22. It'll be my first bullpup venture, but I'd personally love to have an RFB.
 
Chinese makes low-cost Bullpups

Though mostly more expensive compared to conventional rifles, the Chinese T97A and T97C (5.56 military export versions of the QBZ-95 standard and short rifles) are sold at quite low prices here in the Philippines (1800+ USD); (It should be noted that unlike in other countries select-fire rifles are legal but very expensive here). For example, for the price of 1 bushmaster select-fire M4 you can get 2 T97A rifles here while you can get almost two select-fire Type-56 AKs for the price of 1 T97 rifle. However, despite this, US-made select-fire M4s by DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt (rare) and other brands are the most popular rifles here. And given the current political climate with China, their rifles aren't selling very well and it seems people work hard to go the extra mile to buy US-made guns. :D
 
The majority of British soldiers will tell you the SA80 is a horrible gun.

The British, Australian and New Zealand armies all use bullpups for their rifles, yet everyone of thems SAS use the M4 or M4 equivalent.
Although I have herd the British SAS have taken an interest in the SCAR, which is also not bullpup.
 
If you don't mind using a hammer, punch, and screwdriver, this bullpup can be had for $550 or less depending on how much you pay for your sks. Going to take it to the range this weekend, I'll let you know how it shoots.
 
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