Bullets in Lyman Manual

We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp"

Keeping the velocity below 1500fps is simple. Using a light taper crimp is not.

The standard .38Spl /.357 dies use a ROLL crimp. To get a taper crimp you will have to get a specific taper crimp die.

It can be done, but its a bit of a pain. Suggest you trade/exchange the plated bullets for either cast or jacketed if possible, or just put them on the shelf, for now.
 
That is my practice load. I load several thousand a year.
My revolver is also a 357 MGN, a S&W M640. Its nice to have a lot of "headroom"!
I use 4.5 gr of HP-38, which is the same as WW231. Just different containers.
I use a COL of 1.445 inch. That should put the mouth in the cannelure and with revolvers that is all you need to be concerned with.
I don't think you will have any problem starting with plated bullets. I can not use lead bullets at my indoor range. They are concerned about ventilation. The only area where you need to treat plated differently is the crimp. Just use enough to remove any flair left from case mouth expansion. A heavy crimp is not required. You might practice with a dummy round. No powder or primer. You can test the crimp by trying to push the bullet into the case or using a hammer (kinetic) type puller to see how many wacks it takes to pull the bullet. The only problem no crimp would cause is other bullets in the cylinder trying to "jump crimp" under recoil. It acts like a puller. You can fire a few single shot tests with none of the other chambers loaded, to eliminate that variable. If the bullets did pull, it can tie up the cylinder so the gun won't function. I have not had any problems with that using 38 SPL load data. It is more likely with light revolvers and heavy MGN loads. That requires a very heavy crimp. I use a Lee Factory Crimp Die. One half turn of the screw gives a nice crimp without damaging the plating. I have pulled bullets to check for plating damage, and have not found any. I tried one and a half turns once and pulled the bullet. There was a nice grove about 1 mm deep, but the plating was not broken.
I get good accuracy with my plated loads. In any case, I would recommend seating bullets, and crimping, in separate steps, at least until you have some experience. Some like to do both at the same time. There is some interaction that could cause problems, at least in theory. Crimping separately takes a little longer, but there are no other downsides.
When you reuse your brass, you will need to give some thought as to how, or if, you want to clean it. Many use a tumbler. I just wash in detergent in a bucket for about a half hour, with several vigorous stirs. I also like to follow with a similar rinse in vinegar and water. Rinse well with water and dry throughly. I de-prime before I clean to get the pockets clean. Some don't clean the brass, and it is not strictly necessary. If the brass has grit on it, it could scratch up your dies. Probably best to clean or wipe before reloading. If you want your brass to last as long as possible, just use enough case mouth expansion to seat the bullet without crushing the case. Excess expansion will shorten the life of the cases. I get more than ten loads out of my brass with 38 SPL loads. Eventually you will see splits near the case mouth, at least that is where my brass has first shown signs of needing to go to the recycle bin.

Best,
Rick
 
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I tried to reply to your PM, but I don't think it worked.
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Best,
Rick
 
Got word from Xtreme Bullets

I got an email from Xtreme that I included below-

"You should be able to find the load information on these in the Speer Reloading Manual, they have copper plated bullets listed as TMJs ( Total Metal Jacket ). If you need any further assistance, please let us know.

Have a wonderful day!"

Hopefully this can provide some clarity to those with the same question.
 
Since Unicore and Gold Dot are both plated bullets...AND listed side by side...........you have your data.
 
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