JeepHammer
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I don't care about 'Color'
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Brand Loyalty
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Drain Smith
Holy mackerel, Mr. Drain Smith.
What a set up! You should hire staff and start making money.
To- Metal God I was happy with all the replies to my first post. I decided to recommend the RCBS universal priming tool, based on feed back.
Ps : you confirmed a point I made. You would recommend a Dillon, but yet you've never used one!
Truth be told, I would also recommend Dillon. But only because they have a great reputation and have been around for a long time. But I've never used one
Holy mackerel, Mr. Drain Smith.
What a set up! You should hire staff and start making money.
To- Metal God I was happy with all the replies to my first post. I decided to recommend the RCBS universal priming tool, based on feed back.
Ps : you confirmed a point I made. You would recommend a Dillon, but yet you've never used one!
Truth be told, I would also recommend Dillon. But only because they have a great reputation and have been around for a long time. But I've never used one
drain smith
New member
I do have a staff. They are called grandkids. My reloads cost me about twice the cost as factory. and worth every cent.
44 AMP said,
I know, the most popular but off topic part of the picture.......243
. Picture taken a day before my grandson went out and got his first muley buck with Grampas old Remington Carbine.
I hadn't hunted for years....too old to enjoy the idea of hiking, climbing, etc.
Rifle cost me $110 new!
No comments please, unless you don't mind a private message, it's very off topic.
I know, the most popular but off topic part of the picture.......243
. Picture taken a day before my grandson went out and got his first muley buck with Grampas old Remington Carbine.I hadn't hunted for years....too old to enjoy the idea of hiking, climbing, etc.
Rifle cost me $110 new!
No comments please, unless you don't mind a private message, it's very off topic.
lee n. field
New member
Eclectic. What actually gets used is mostly Lee.
I believe I have always went for the best quality product I could afford since 1976 or there about. I also have a verity of manufacturers in tools.
Over time the loading competition has greatly improved. The manufacturers do their home work and try to have a better product than the competition. So you have better equipment out there. For me it use to be that I would read books and magazines to find out as much as I could and that was how a lot of choices were made. So marketing through in a lot of bias information. I have a lot more information out there today.
Thank You to (The Firing Line)...
Over time the loading competition has greatly improved. The manufacturers do their home work and try to have a better product than the competition. So you have better equipment out there. For me it use to be that I would read books and magazines to find out as much as I could and that was how a lot of choices were made. So marketing through in a lot of bias information. I have a lot more information out there today.
Thank You to (The Firing Line)...
I use Lee products mostly because of the price. I admit that their products could be better, but I have read many negative reviews on the more expensive brands. So, it doesn't appear that the more expensive products are that much better in many instances.
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AVirginian
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I am "color blind" - I buy what does what I need done at that moment.
JeepHammer
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Longshot,
Some books are fairly non-biased, but you can't trust a single magazine.
There is no 'Consumer Reports' for reloading,
And you can't usually get your product into a magazine unless you spend advertising dollars with that magazine.
Wasn't always this way, but with increased competition for advertising dollars and competition from internet, magazines simply won't waste space on something that doesn't generate revenue.
I know this first hand because of the engineering work I do for a hot rod parts company.
That company spent money in this or that magazine, then stopped, either for economic reasons, or they weren't seeing any interest in that particular sector of the market,
The magazines retaliated by not featuring a single vehicle with our logo on it, no matter what the accolades the owner had won.
It has gone so far that our logo on banners of event sponsors has been blacked out before pictures hit publication.
With internet forums, you still have to discount 'Fan Boys', or sponsored trolls talking up the banner of this or that, but you can glean some useful recommendations from other users. (it takes a LOT of time, but it can be done)
What I look for is someone that explains WHY they stopped using 'This' and started using 'That', and see if the recommendation fits my APPLICATION,
And not just touting a particular product because it's what THEY use and haven't tried anything else, or haven't used it long enough term or in high enough volume to find any faults.
Some books are fairly non-biased, but you can't trust a single magazine.
There is no 'Consumer Reports' for reloading,
And you can't usually get your product into a magazine unless you spend advertising dollars with that magazine.
Wasn't always this way, but with increased competition for advertising dollars and competition from internet, magazines simply won't waste space on something that doesn't generate revenue.
I know this first hand because of the engineering work I do for a hot rod parts company.
That company spent money in this or that magazine, then stopped, either for economic reasons, or they weren't seeing any interest in that particular sector of the market,
The magazines retaliated by not featuring a single vehicle with our logo on it, no matter what the accolades the owner had won.
It has gone so far that our logo on banners of event sponsors has been blacked out before pictures hit publication.
With internet forums, you still have to discount 'Fan Boys', or sponsored trolls talking up the banner of this or that, but you can glean some useful recommendations from other users. (it takes a LOT of time, but it can be done)
What I look for is someone that explains WHY they stopped using 'This' and started using 'That', and see if the recommendation fits my APPLICATION,
And not just touting a particular product because it's what THEY use and haven't tried anything else, or haven't used it long enough term or in high enough volume to find any faults.
And then there are those conspiracies, some people are consumed by conspiracies, and then there are those that are scared, it just seems they believe someone or something is out to get them. The most boring conversation I can get into is the one that involves a manufacturer that becomes a member of a reloading forum, and then there is the second most boring conversation; that is the one that involves members that buddies up to the manufacturer.
I was being fair and objective about the RCBS Rock Chucker, problem; I could not get a member to shove themselves away from the keyboard far enough to look at the bottom of their press. Instead of looking, they started arguing. And then I disagreed with members about what they thought SAAMI said, the case does not have head space.
Anyhow; it is about time someone starts another thread looking for that tool that sizes magnum cases above the belt. As soon as it hits the forum 5 reloaders will furnish all the contact information.
F. Guffey
I was being fair and objective about the RCBS Rock Chucker, problem; I could not get a member to shove themselves away from the keyboard far enough to look at the bottom of their press. Instead of looking, they started arguing. And then I disagreed with members about what they thought SAAMI said, the case does not have head space.
Anyhow; it is about time someone starts another thread looking for that tool that sizes magnum cases above the belt. As soon as it hits the forum 5 reloaders will furnish all the contact information.
F. Guffey
I won't lie, I have stuff from everyone who makes something for reloading.
I got started out sitting on my pop's knee when I was a tot handing him cases and bullets, now at 53, and been at it my whole life I have accumulated some stuff.
I was supervised but loading my own hunting ammo when I was 8 and cut loose before I was 10 to load for me and my pop. Yes we had standardized loads but we also played as well. Having presses that are circa '60, and using them I don't feel a bit brand boy in any way.
I like some thing better than other for the job they do, but trust me when I say, if it has something to do with reloading I probably have something from everyone sitting here somewhere, along with some things I simply made myself.
I got started out sitting on my pop's knee when I was a tot handing him cases and bullets, now at 53, and been at it my whole life I have accumulated some stuff.
I was supervised but loading my own hunting ammo when I was 8 and cut loose before I was 10 to load for me and my pop. Yes we had standardized loads but we also played as well. Having presses that are circa '60, and using them I don't feel a bit brand boy in any way.
I like some thing better than other for the job they do, but trust me when I say, if it has something to do with reloading I probably have something from everyone sitting here somewhere, along with some things I simply made myself.
I own something from all of the manufacturers except Dillion. I will eventually buy something from them as well.
I started out on a Chucker back in 1982, but I own all kinds of presses......except Dillion.
Now when it comes to automobiles, I'm brand loyal. I will only own Jeeps, and I will only own Jeep Cherokees(the little ones), I have 4 and will only own Ford trucks and it has to be a 7.3 Powerstroke, I own one
Yes I am picky about what I drive, but not about what I reload with.
I started out on a Chucker back in 1982, but I own all kinds of presses......except Dillion.
Now when it comes to automobiles, I'm brand loyal. I will only own Jeeps, and I will only own Jeep Cherokees(the little ones), I have 4 and will only own Ford trucks and it has to be a 7.3 Powerstroke, I own one
Yes I am picky about what I drive, but not about what I reload with.
When I got into BR I started using Wilson dies and Neil Jones was making his bushing dies and that was later part of the 70's, By mid 80's I started using arbor dies for my hunting rifle and press just for sizing. Wilson always sold die blanks for neck or seater and I'll get set so gunsmith can use his chamber reamer.
When I was shooting more pistols and got into shotguns I got Ponsness/Warren for pistol and one for shotguns. I don't shoot much pistol or shotgun like I use so factory good enough. All the BR I did we loaded at the range same with practice. I belong to couple membership gun clubs and they allow loading at the range so I still do that working up loads or just going down to shoot.
I normally keep 700/800rd loaded for varmint rifles. I like how I reload if I did I won't be doing it.
When I was shooting more pistols and got into shotguns I got Ponsness/Warren for pistol and one for shotguns. I don't shoot much pistol or shotgun like I use so factory good enough. All the BR I did we loaded at the range same with practice. I belong to couple membership gun clubs and they allow loading at the range so I still do that working up loads or just going down to shoot.
I normally keep 700/800rd loaded for varmint rifles. I like how I reload if I did I won't be doing it.
Loyal to brands in all cases, almost.
Ryobi, Sony, Thomasville,Honda,cci, Remington, Toshiba, glenliivet scotch and wild turkey and hoyo de monetary cigars.
Rcbs.
I'm not absolutely loyal to all of those to absolute exclusivity. My reloading equipment is about 90% rcbs, ryobi, Sony, Toshiba,, Honda,. about the same.
My loyal whiskey and cigars may be about a quarter of my actual purchases, but any other brands are scattered widely.
Brand loyalty is good for a person. It gives you confidence in a product, leaves a little less room for doubt and second guessing. It gives you a certain feeling of faith.
Ryobi, Sony, Thomasville,Honda,cci, Remington, Toshiba, glenliivet scotch and wild turkey and hoyo de monetary cigars.
Rcbs.
I'm not absolutely loyal to all of those to absolute exclusivity. My reloading equipment is about 90% rcbs, ryobi, Sony, Toshiba,, Honda,. about the same.
My loyal whiskey and cigars may be about a quarter of my actual purchases, but any other brands are scattered widely.
Brand loyalty is good for a person. It gives you confidence in a product, leaves a little less room for doubt and second guessing. It gives you a certain feeling of faith.
jetinteriorguy
New member
I know the Lee Ergo Prime gets less than glowing reviews, and at first I had issues using mine as well. But, once you get the hang of it, it works quite well. In the last few years I've easily loaded over 20000 rounds with mine and will never need another. The trick is the angle you hold it at and it's easy to get used to that. I mostly like how well you can feel the primer seat, it gives very good control and has a good feel to it.
I'd like add to something . I do have brand loyalty in so much as I do have a general understanding of which brands tend to produce better products then others . I even have my preferences with in these brands and will always start the research with these brands first and If I find what I'm looking for will tend to buy it . Example : I'm a fan of Redding and if I'm looking for a die I start there . That does not mean that's where I stop . I ended up buying Hornady 30-30 dies based on a couple things . 1) They were on sale 2) I don't need high end bushing or custom honed dies for a 30-30 .