BP revolver with the best longevity
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I had my tongue in my cheek for both of my previous posts
Clem and Hawg,
I am sure there are plenty of serious shooters who do not use the ROA for some very good reasons. Chiefly among those is the lack of historical accuracy of the piece. I would say (personal opinion) that price is second in order of priority.
I need to become more clear when I mean my statements to be taken figuratively rather than literally.
So when Hawg said that it is not always true that a serious shooter will eventually wind up with an ROA, he was correct. (which is no surprise.)
Clem and Hawg,
I am sure there are plenty of serious shooters who do not use the ROA for some very good reasons. Chiefly among those is the lack of historical accuracy of the piece. I would say (personal opinion) that price is second in order of priority.
I need to become more clear when I mean my statements to be taken figuratively rather than literally.
So when Hawg said that it is not always true that a serious shooter will eventually wind up with an ROA, he was correct. (which is no surprise.)
I'm serious when it comes to shooting even tho I'm not a paper puncher, that bores me to tears.
I'm serious about my guns.......kinda/sorta. I do like them to be reasonably historically accurate.
Lacking funds is an understatement.
Even if money was no object I wouldn't buy a ROA or any Ruger SA for that matter.I've never been accused of having good taste.
Well, "reasonable" is a subjective term. What is reasonable to you or I isn't for the next person. Personally, I don't care to the point where I would or would not buy a firearm. I just like to point out to those who think they are shooting historically accurate firearms that they are most likely not.
Things that aren't accurate include: barrel length, sights, grips, grip size, finish, coil springs, frame dimensions, metallurgy, etc, etc, etc. They all "look", for the most part, historically accurate. Even the ROA is based upon the Remington-Beals design (yes...and the Blackhawk...before someone jumps down my throat) and to someone not familiar would not know this is a modern design.
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I am just ribbin too
You Guys,
I can understand a re-enactor wanting a shootin iron that looks like it belongs. I can also understand those who simply want to shoot pistols that at least appeal to the historical prototypes.
The only time I ever went to a re-enactment, it wasn't at a battlefield, it was just a gathering at a local park. This was before I was interested in BP revolvers. One of the units had a field piece they were exercising. As I remember, they were shooting soda cans filled with concrete or some such. (Historically accurate?!) Quite cool it was.
I find my ROA to be (what in my humble opinion is) a shooters pistol. This goes right down to the design of the right side of the pistol which makes it very easy to load the caps. Those on the discussion board who have more experience might come up with a more extensive list of traits than I could even dream of. I just think it has a nice personality. As I said before, I like it so much I sometimes sleep wth it.
You Guys,
I can understand a re-enactor wanting a shootin iron that looks like it belongs. I can also understand those who simply want to shoot pistols that at least appeal to the historical prototypes.
The only time I ever went to a re-enactment, it wasn't at a battlefield, it was just a gathering at a local park. This was before I was interested in BP revolvers. One of the units had a field piece they were exercising. As I remember, they were shooting soda cans filled with concrete or some such. (Historically accurate?!) Quite cool it was.
I find my ROA to be (what in my humble opinion is) a shooters pistol. This goes right down to the design of the right side of the pistol which makes it very easy to load the caps. Those on the discussion board who have more experience might come up with a more extensive list of traits than I could even dream of. I just think it has a nice personality. As I said before, I like it so much I sometimes sleep wth it.
but I do like to fondle them along with my Mini-14 more than the others whenever I open the safe. Don't know why...they are just works of art. I'm not knocking anybody for shooting ROA's or brass framed .44 Navies or 58 Remingtons with 12 inch barrels and adjustable sights.Shoot what ya like. They're just not for me and I can't help pointing out the historical inaccuracy of them. I wouldn't say the ROA is based on the Beals. The frame bears some remote similarity but that's about it.
CaptainCrossman
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to the OP- that would be the 1858 Remington
the ROA is a modern version of the '58
so IMHO, they are basically the "same design"- although the ROA has several modern improvements, i.e. adjustable sights !
the ROA is a modern version of the '58
so IMHO, they are basically the "same design"- although the ROA has several modern improvements, i.e. adjustable sights !
Nothing against the ROA, but I do not shoot mine all that often. It is mainly my son's revolver now. And that is because he has not taste.
Back to the OP's initial question, I bought '58s in the beginning. They are easier to work with and to reload. They are a solid revolver. But saying that, I have found a greater desire to shoot my Colts.
I love the '51 and even more the '62 Navy. They just feel the best in my hands. And lately, all I have purchased are Colts. So if I didn't already have a '60, I would get it over the '58. But that may be because I already have a couple of '58s. Maybe its the name?
But if you really want to have fun shooting, then move over to the BP shotguns. I picked up a Belgium double barrel from the 1860s. It is a well cared for 14 gage. And since getting it, it is the only shotgun I take hunting wild turkey. And it is a hoot to take the Rod and Gun Club to do some skeet shooting. But that is another story.
Back to the OP's initial question, I bought '58s in the beginning. They are easier to work with and to reload. They are a solid revolver. But saying that, I have found a greater desire to shoot my Colts.
I love the '51 and even more the '62 Navy. They just feel the best in my hands. And lately, all I have purchased are Colts. So if I didn't already have a '60, I would get it over the '58. But that may be because I already have a couple of '58s. Maybe its the name?
But if you really want to have fun shooting, then move over to the BP shotguns. I picked up a Belgium double barrel from the 1860s. It is a well cared for 14 gage. And since getting it, it is the only shotgun I take hunting wild turkey. And it is a hoot to take the Rod and Gun Club to do some skeet shooting. But that is another story.
madcratebuilder
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Did some one say doubles?
Adjustable sights don't belong on a SAA, let alone a C&B.
Seems to me that if you enjoy shooting anything as time consuming as a C&B you'd want to do it the way it was originally done. IMHO most modern day folks are too lazy to learn how to shoot(or load) the old way. If it won't hit POA they don't want it. I'm lucky, most of mine hit POA laterally, just either high or low. The ones that don't I know where to aim to make them hit where I want them to and don't mind doing it. It's just part of the nostalgia.At my age, I have a lot to be nostalgic about
H.H.,
I can understand your sentiments. It is very likely that I have not been shooting long enough (a total of about four or five years) to have formed a conviction about which aspect of the sport/hobby (whatever it is) I like the most.
I know that I could never get into the re-enactment stuff where you have to wear the clothes, eat the food, sleep on the ground and ride those big dogs.
I got interested long ago by building kits. So I have a warm spot in my heart for all Colt and Remington (and there derivatives) replica revolvers, plus single shot pistols and rifles. Actually my interest has become more refined recently and I have no interest in a single shot anything.
Then I bought my first ROA in about 1980 and boy did that shoot nice.
So I guess I am conflicted.
H.H.,
I can understand your sentiments. It is very likely that I have not been shooting long enough (a total of about four or five years) to have formed a conviction about which aspect of the sport/hobby (whatever it is) I like the most.
I know that I could never get into the re-enactment stuff where you have to wear the clothes, eat the food, sleep on the ground and ride those big dogs.
I got interested long ago by building kits. So I have a warm spot in my heart for all Colt and Remington (and there derivatives) replica revolvers, plus single shot pistols and rifles. Actually my interest has become more refined recently and I have no interest in a single shot anything.
Then I bought my first ROA in about 1980 and boy did that shoot nice.
So I guess I am conflicted.
51_60_colt
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Ever since I was a little kid i always wanted one those long barreled (7.5-8in
) pistols they used in the war of northern aggression, always thought they were beautiful, and my grandpa got me one, been hooked since. I like the nostalia of shooting a weapon similar to those that my forfathers used, but I'm still goin SS on the next one ...BTW I think the 1860 Colt is the most beautiful pistol made to this day.
) pistols they used in the war of northern aggression, always thought they were beautiful, and my grandpa got me one, been hooked since. I like the nostalia of shooting a weapon similar to those that my forfathers used, but I'm still goin SS on the next one ...BTW I think the 1860 Colt is the most beautiful pistol made to this day.madcratebuilder
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They had adjustable sights (dove tail) on cap and ball revolvers. Both front and rear. They did have gunsmiths back then. In fact I just saw a pic of a original Dragoon with a rear sight added just if front of the cylinder, someone wanted to hit what they aimed at.
ROA's to pepperboxes, they are all fun to shoot. After all, we are all shooting reproductions, most of the time.
ROA's to pepperboxes, they are all fun to shoot. After all, we are all shooting reproductions, most of the time.
Fingers McGee
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Quote MCB:
The Army bought 3rd Model Dragoons from Colt in pairs with a matching shoulder stock in 1858. These all had 3 leaf rear sights mounted on the barrel. The shoulder stock was marked with the serial number of the two pistols that it was sold with.
ASM also made some 3rd Model Dragoons with shoulder stocks and 3 leaf rear sights back in the 80s or 90s.
The Army bought 3rd Model Dragoons from Colt in pairs with a matching shoulder stock in 1858. These all had 3 leaf rear sights mounted on the barrel. The shoulder stock was marked with the serial number of the two pistols that it was sold with.
ASM also made some 3rd Model Dragoons with shoulder stocks and 3 leaf rear sights back in the 80s or 90s.
CaptainCrossman
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BP cap/ball are fun to shoot- but the Colts seem to be jam-prone. A small hammer/drift is a must shooting a Colt, when a spent cap falls in behind the cylinder and jams the gun, it has to be taken apart to unjam it.
The Remington has a little more tolerance to spent caps/jams, the caps seem to fall off the the right onto the ground when recocking the gun.
The key is, get stainless hardened nipples and use caps that fit snugly, so the caps don't fall into the action of the gun.
That statement sounded funny now...
The Remington has a little more tolerance to spent caps/jams, the caps seem to fall off the the right onto the ground when recocking the gun.
The key is, get stainless hardened nipples and use caps that fit snugly, so the caps don't fall into the action of the gun.
That statement sounded funny now...