Boycott NY?

Many of the Easter antigun majority states look to be passing the same laws, it seems. We have a post of a MA law proposal.

I do think it behooves the gun industry to move though. TX has all they need for their businesses and they could probably get a good start up break.
 
If I have to visit NYC, I'm Xeroxing small slips of paper that say
_______________________________________________________________
Thank You for your service

$_____________ will be donated to the NRA to assist you in regaining your full 2nd Amendment rights.

_____________________________________________________________

So if the check is $53, $10.60 (20%) will be donated to the NRA. Manhattan is a tips driven city and I think this is a perfect way to "bring the war home".
 
i will not boycott products made in NY state. That is counterproductive. It's not the fault of law abiding NY gunowners that non-gun owning antis in NY City drive the agenda for the state.


The moral position of firearms owners should be to drive NY State into bankruptcy, disfunction, and financial and political ruin, so that it becomes an absolute requirement to re-think all of the political system there. Not supporting anything from NY financially is one way to act. Moving out and taking your financial and intellectual capacity away from the failed system is another way to act. Moving your own business away is yet another. Let it fail so that it may be rebuilt later.

Or, for those who think: "Who is Jon Galt?"



Wherever you go, you've got shall-issue carry permits, no state-level restrictions on ownership, and you can find .45 Auto Rim in hardware stores


Sign me up! No more half moon clips for the S&W 1955 target? Now that's a good place to live... ;)



Willie


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There are a couple things. Work with your out of NY state governments to try lure Remington an Kimber out of NY to your state. I think FL has the edge on Remington as they aready have a plant there...By By Ilion, NY.

The second thing is to do everything you can to get your reresentitives in Congress to make sure NO PORK heads to NY (for any reason)
 
I'm considering Texas and Florida at the moment.

Hot down there.

Cold up here.

I don't like either.
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I grew up in NYC, lived in TX, now in FL (via several other places)

It is 75 degrees here right now, no state income tax, no NYC income tax and cheap housing at the moment - what's not to like?

BTW, you either get used to the heat, or you run your AC a little more
 
The one thing we ALL can do and have to do is stick together and not roll over for them... I dont think they will feel a boycott because they have all the money they want and if they want more all they have to just do is raise NYers taxes and puff they have a raise for themselves.

The one thing I have been saying for years now only way we can fix this is if they are not doing a good job working for us fire them (dont reelect them) Give them one term to do a good job. If they dont get them out. Not reelect them and give them a career in doing a crappy job... I know if you or me where doing a crappy job at ourr jobs Im sure they wouldnt keep me...
 
While I've never been nor do I intend to be a resident of NY, I can sympathize with residents of the state as I grew up in IL which seems to be in a similar position: the balance of power seems to rest with one large metropolitan area that can, in effect, hold the rest of the state hostage. As was is the case with IL, it seems as though NY is too far gone to be fixed from within and, as such, it's time to take things to the national level through litigation. In my view, the best hope for saving Second Amendment rights in states like NY and IL is the Second Amendment Foundation and similar groups that bring lawsuits at the federal level. While federal involvement in state matters normally makes me very uneasy, the abuses of the state of NY is so egregious that I feel federal-level litigation is probably the only recourse at this point. Abuses of power such as this are the reason that the 14th Amendment became necessary.
 
Not so much a matter of boycotting NY, but rather telling weapons companies in non-free states that they need to relocate, they need to stop selling to NY,etc.

I think the NYPD uses no where near the ammo that the civilian market uses.

I think Glock makes a ton more money selling to civiliams than to NYPD. Tell Glock if they want more of your business then they should only sell 7 round mags to NY.

Things like this.

I have contacted a big ammunition co (mainly reloads) that sells a ton to PD's. He will no longer sell, or at the very least sell at a discount, ammo to Gov't agencies in non-free states. Or he will not discount the items lower than what is done for retail sales.

We are stronger than anyone realizes - as long as we keep the burners going.
 
Not so much a matter of boycotting NY, but rather telling weapons companies in non-free states that they need to relocate, they need to stop selling to NY,etc.


Do you *really* think that large industrial businesses in general care?

They are going to make rational decisions.

What do you think it would actually take to move a business the size of Remington or S&W?

What do you think it would cost?

Does anyone REALLY think that companies who sell products to law enforcement and government users will "bpycott" them to send a message?

(and "Yes" I know that Mr. Barrett did it to California, that was a very small and special case).

There is no rational business management team that would do that to "send a message".


Thinking that this is a practical possibility is another branch of the tin foil hattery tree.



Willie

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Well Willy, I really think you have a point there. However, just for my own satisfaction, I can buy firearms made outside of New England!
 
I dont plan on boycotting NY State products, with the exception of not visiting.

Ive been to the plant in Ilion NY. Met many fine, friendly hard working folks...If I boycotted NY products it would only wind out hurting the little guys unfortunatly (just my view). The politicians wont notice for a min.

I would love to see these many firearm companies work toward moving to a state(s) with better laws toward firearm ownership, and to states that respect the manufacturing companies, who in turn, produce tax money for the state, as well as jobs for those who live in the states.

I would prefer though that if/when these companies decide to move, that they hopefully give an offer to their existing employees to move with them.

While I would love to see many of them move to NC, I think that if/when these companies do move that not only they will look at the cost issues, work place issues, but they will probably seek out a long term stable political enviroment in which to move in to.

Dividing the issue by avoiding a company that sales to LE, to me isnt going to work well, because many of these companies basically give LE a discount because it provides great advertising for their product. Many, many folks want to use what LE uses, and its doubtful the boycott would have any impact their either.

Me personally, I prefer to be kind in writing letters to these companies, and kindly asking them to consider moving in the future. Secondly, Im going to try to donate some to those organizations who are fighting against the NY ban.

edit to add:

The following companies (maybe more) have at least an office in NC now

Marlin - Madison NC
Remington - Madison NC
Para-Ord - Pineville NC
InterOrdnance (cant remember location right now)
USATactical - Statesville (smaller AR-15 manufacturer)

North Carolina must have something thats at least somewhat attractive to these few companies in some way. Perhaps its something to build upon...
 
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Henry Repeating Arms was in NYC, but I see they are now in NJ. Is that a dime's worth of difference?

Yes, sadly, the manufacturers will not turn down a customer, so NY will still be able to get its government supply of weapons & ammo. It would be great to see a company dump them but another would probably spring up. But it would serve NY right, then have to get a new supplier, maybe new brands. That would enrage their taxpayers who foot the bill.

Maybe some firearm businesses would still leave the state or city for tax reasons. Isn't NY one of the highest tax states? They might entertain a move to a lower tax state if an invitation came? Anyone have friends or family in your state's economic development offices? Marlin relocated to NC. I think they had been in MAS or CT, forget which.
 
NY still ranks number 6 in manufacturing, as of 2009, the latest year I could find quickly. I doubt a boycott would have much effect.
Even a previous governor, Spitzer, described upstate as something resembling Appalachia, in terms of economic activity. Yup, even with that rank. Buffalo used to one of the top five manufacturing centers in the country.
You know how states are complaining about the expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare (despite the feds paying 90% of the cost) up to 130% of the poverty level? New York already provides it, paying 50% of the cost, up to 140% of the poverty level. We spend nearly double the next highest state, California, on this one program alone. The entire county property tax that I pay goes toward Medicaid.
Our legislature rarely debates any bill on the floor. Budgets are the same way. They are all negotiated by "three men in a room." The majority leader of the senate, the assembly, and the governor get in a room and play lets make a deal. All the members fall into line to vote for whatever is agreed. They have little or no say. If they do not, several things happen. One, they aren't paid great, in terms of base salary. But nearly everyone has a committee assignment, subject to the leader's whim, that pays an extra stipend. Their expenses (they are reimbursed for everything you can think of) come under scrutiny.(Once, a governor ordered the State Police to start investigating one of the majority leaders.) They lose party endorsement, which means they must organize their own petitioning campaign to get back on the ballot, and someone else is backed by the party for their seat. The districts are all severely gerrymandered, to make campaigning unnecessary.
There are numerous state authorities to run various functions, like the thruway, or the dormitory authority, or the power authority... the list goes on. These are all headed by political appointee idiots. They are also used to hide debt and for accounting chicanery. At one point, the Thruway Authority purchased Attica Correctional facility for $500 million. No, I am not making this stuff up.
Yes, I am still a liberal, but that is an entirely different issue than the dysfunction of this government.
No, I am not a liberal (or what one is supposedly these days) when it comes to gun issues.
I do believe there may be some serious blow back on this legislation. Some people are finally becoming aware of how legislation is passed and how screwed up the process is in NY. This went too far.
 
The enemy is doing their own boycott. Rahm Emanuel has announced that Chicago will divest all investments in gun makers through mutual funds etc.

Do you hear that, Illinois gun industry members? How about you, Optics Planet? You are not wanted in Ill Noise.

Missouri, however, is not far away and is gun friendly as are many states.
 
Cuomo claims the new laws are common sense but he was lacking common sense in a few areas.
1. Background checks....doesn't apply to NY State handgun owners..legal ones because only permit holders and law enforcement can LEGALY own handguns. Background investigations have already been done. You cannot transfer a handgun legally, unless the new owner has a NY State permit or FFL.
2. Where did the magic number of "7" come from. I'm sure all mentally deficient people and criminals will abide by that.
3. Is any one persons life more important than another? What has the gov done about flight 7402 or other mass trajedies?

4. For all the gun regulation supporters...I propose that because there are so many accidents involving snow blowers and lawn mowers that all lawn mowers and blowers that are motor driven and over 7 inches wide be banned. All mowers,tractors,blowers, any equipment powered by a motor be made illegal and You have 1 year to dispose of out of state.

5. AND...have the other gov's thought that now cuomo has made it a mandate that all the assault weopons and high capacity mags be "dumped" in their state.

Where's the sense in this ? Gotta go...heading out to Niagara Square in Buffalo to join the march...Tom E USAF ret
 
Jason in Iowa.
NY still ranks 6th in manufacturing. A large percentage of GM engines, Ford sheet metal, GM fuel injection systems, transfer cases for Chrysler and others plus a lot more stuff is made in NY. if you buy an american car, chances are part of it was made in NY.
Dan Wesson is made there. Remington's Ilion plant. Kahr is headquartered there (Blauvelt, NY), but not made. I guess Kimber moved in, at least the headquarters, I don't know what else.
Part of the corruption of government that I wrote about earlier is how business is attracted and retained. If you know the right people and make the right noises about expanding or moving or needing help, tax breaks, subsidies, cheap electricity, or what ever magically appears. In the mean time, your competitors get nothing, and the community the business is located in goes begging for tax money needed for basic services.
It's so corrupt that I thought absolutely nothing would surprise me, but the extent of this legislation finally did.
And yes there is a Republican, sort of, Senate that the bill had to go through.
 
Well, Willy the county I live in (metro ATL) got their new Glocks about 6 years ago for FREE. Swapped out old S&W for new Glocks.

So you tell me, who does Glock (all of them) make more money off of - gov't or civie?

By your reasoning we have more power to the Manf. Heck, just look at the advertising they do. Why would they do that if our $ did not add up?

I have NO doubt the folks working in Ilion are some of the best folks. Applies to many Manf. But WE MUST make the makers understand. How much would it cost to move? I don't know? How much would Free States (in this economy) be willing to throw in to get a Manf plant to move there? (a lot I am guessing)

WE HAVE GOT TO GET OUR MESSAGE OUT!

Boycotting South Africa was not going to make a difference. The bus boycotts of the late 50's & 60's was not going to make a difference. Homosexuals telling companies to boycott THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA FOR GOD'S SAKE was not going to make a difference!

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

And we need to tell Manf in Free States to make places like NY treat the Police like the state is treating their citizens. And we need to let Manf in non-free states know we would like them to move.

I, frankly, don't see where it will hurt. I see it helping the Manf make more $ vs. giving away their products for almost nothing vs considering their customer base that actually makes them $$$$.
 
would be like getting people to boycott gas
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I disagree.

I need gas, but I don't need to go to NY. There are plenty of other states to visit.

From here on in, I will not be spending any money in NY.

I feel better already. :cool:
 
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