Boycott Methodists?

LDS may have banned guns at the temple is SLC, but not in Texas as far as I know. They are quite tolerant on justifiable lethal force.
 
May I suggest that we not take the next step on this thread? I sense that a potential religious-type flame war might ensue.

I am biting my tongue and holding my opinions because they don't further the one cause we all do agree on.

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All,

Tread lightly. Avoid "trigger words".

If you address the official stand of an organization, please try to give your sources.

Stay civil. Strong feelings abound (and fragment us) in many of the above arenas.
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Good call, Longshot.
 
This cuts to the quick. Way deep. To find out that you're being betrayed by an institution that has nurtured your spirit for so many years. Perhaps I'm not as religious as Mom would have me, but I always believed, and still do. However, I have to say now that the Methodist church will see much less of me than it has in the past.

Damn the axis powers! Bill/Hill/Reno
 
This is nothing new. The major protestant denominations (UMC, PCUSA, and LC) are all anti-gun at the top levels. Their congregations tend to have opposing views. I no-longer give non-committed funds to the Presbyterian Church. I can't because they contribute to the Center to prevent handgun violence (HCI spin-off). I will give to the local food pantry, and I will give to any one of hundreds of charitable organizations that stay out of politics. I also try to inform our representative to the governing body my view, so he knows how to apropriately vote on certain issues. One thing you must understand about the homosexuality issue is that most denominations have to listen to a position and vote it down. They can't stop a congregant from proposing a new by-law, but once it has been discussed, they seem to always vote it down. The Presbyterian Church makes headlines every 2 years because some liberal wants to ordain gay ministers. So far they've done the right thing so I will stay for now. If they EVER knowingly ordain a homosexual or a minister openly living in any other sinful lifestyle (hetrosexual fornication comes to mind), it is time for me to go Baptist or Church of Christ. There are litterally thousands of church organizations that still have the word of God as their guide.

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Frederick Douglass, Aug 4 1857
 
Too bad the Methodist church picked Cleveland for this. The whole thing, the protests and the counter protests reminded me of the recent KKK rally in Cleveland. Lots of shouts, lots of noise. Lots of $$$ spent.

RE: Trigger words, and my quoted phrase. It was a direct quote.

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Personally I think this is great and a testament to the maturity and dedication of our members. Seriously. The discusssion is related to religion, sexual orientation and has even touched on racism. Controversial and emotionally charged issues to be sure. Yet in 26 post it has remained civil and focused on the RKBA without inciting a riot, name calling or flames. If the thread "runs out" with none of those it is something the members can be proud of. After all our love of guns and the RKBA is why we are here.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kjm:
If they EVER knowingly ordain a homosexual or a minister openly living in any other sinful lifestyle (hetrosexual fornication comes to mind), it is time for me to go Baptist or Church of Christ.[/quote]

Actually, kjm, I am not sure that there is Baptist _doctrinal_ opposition to these things, although in local congregations there would be abundant sentiment and tradition against them. As a Baptist seminarian once told me, the Baptist Church is really about the least judgmental denomination out there -- individual congregations and members just don't know it.

Thanks for the information about the Presbyterians. The predestination issue would be a problem for me in that denomination anyway, but the giving to HCI is equally unacceptable.

Gee, I may have to go nondenominational (not necessarily a bad thing).

And Phil, I understand and agree with your point about not needing to go to church to have faith. I got active in church again after I had kids and I realized how much of my own personal beliefs and views were shaped in a positive manner by things I learned in Sunday School as a kid. I wanted my own children to have that same benefit. But I don't want my kids being taught morality by a church that subscribes to an anti-rights view that I believe to be unambiguously evil.

Bet there will be some interesting discussions in Methodist churches around the country on Sunday.


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The only place I can think that guns wouldn't be "kosher" (?!?) in the Mormon church would be in the Temples. Regular churches (chapels) wouldn't be a problem.

And you have to understand what the Temples mean to Mormons to get a grasp of why it wouldn't ge kosher to carry there. Those buildings are considered the LITERAL "House of God". In order to even get IN to one, you have to have a "recommend". To get one, you have to be interviewed by your Bishop, and then by your Stake President, and found worthy. 24 questions.

You MUST wear white (head to foot) when you're in one. Remember, according to the Church, God is actually present in them. Not only would guns be proscribed, but ANYTHING "of the world", such as walkman stereos and othere accoutriments of mankind.

So even in the Temple, the Mormons are not "against" guns per se. Understand?
 
Good discussion folks, but I'm a little suprised this is "news" to some Methodists. The churches support of HCI and their cause has been quite public for many years.

It's the reason I left the church over 10 years ago...

Joe


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